[Libs-Or] Fwd: Book Collection Home Page

Thu Oct 16 11:39:05 PDT 2003

LC records are probably public domain as government pubs.

OCLC's Terms and Conditions (from link at the bottom of all their pages) say
"Subscriber and/or Authorized Users may view screen displays of data
accessed via the FirstSearch service, and may make one (1) copy per screen
display of any portions of such data for that person's internal or personal,
noncataloging and noncommercial purposes.... Screen displays of such data
may be electronically downloaded and temporarily stored in machine-readable
form by the person so viewing the data solely as required for that person's
use and/or copying of the data as permitted under this Section 2; provided
that such machine-readable copies of data shall be erased after such
temporary use and/or copying and shall not be transferred to, shared with or
accessed by any other person....Subscriber and Authorized Users acquire no
ownership rights to any data or portions thereof provided in any form by the
FirstSearch service. No part of any data provided in any form by the
FirstSearch service may be disclosed, reproduced, transferred or transmitted
in any form without the prior written consent of OCLC except as expressly
permitted hereunder. Use of the FirstSearch service for cataloging purposes
is expressly prohibited."

My point is that librarians, of all people, ought to know better that to
think everything on the Web is free. Cataloging costs money to create and
maintain. If your library relies on Z39.50 to download records from other
people's catalogs, at least have the courtesy to ask permission first. After
all, they paid to get those records in.

Amazon is are either buying the records from vendors or paying their own
indexers, spending a heck of a lot of money on their database. Their
Conditions of Use page (link at bottom of home page) states: "The
compilation of all content on this site is the exclusive property of
Amazon.com and protected by U.S. and international copyright
laws....Amazon.com grants you a limited license to access and make personal
use of this site and not to download (other than page caching) or modify it,
or any portion of it, except with express written consent of Amazon.com. "

If I were a for-profit dependent on a database,  I'd take a dim view of
people swiping my content.

The music industry is nailing people for unauthorized downloading. There is
less potential profit in nailing libraries, but lately, have content
publishers been accused of being overly generous to libraries?

There are inherent risks and ethical questions raised by appropriating
downloaded materials without permission. Cataloging is no different.

Normandy Helmer
Coordinator of Preservation & Digital Services/
Oregon Newspaper Project
University of Oregon Libraries--SpecColl
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403-1299
541-346-1864/fax 541-346-1882
nhelmer at uoregon.edu

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[mailto:libs-or-bounces at webhost.osl.state.or.us]On Behalf Of Ernest Perez
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:44 AM
To: libs-or
Subject: RE: [Libs-Or] Fwd: Book Collection Home Page

Normandy,

Very possible bib records are protected, either by contract or by copyright.
Although, I do wonder whether a bib record is considered a "work."

In any case, LC records are not protected, and are free for the downloading.
At least they were last time I asked LC Card Office, maybe 1994 or so.
Amazon records, who knows?

--ernest perez

At 09:58 AM 10/16/03 -0700, you wrote:

It's also useful to consider that bibliographic records are intellectual
property, and such systems often fail to mention that their "easy bib
retrieval from the Web" lets you take somebody's else's cataloging without
paying for it. That's theft.

Normandy Helmer
Coordinator of Preservation & Digital Services/
Oregon Newspaper Project
University of Oregon Libraries--SpecColl
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403-1299
541-346-1864/fax 541-346-1882
nhelmer at uoregon.edu

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[mailto:libs-or-bounces at webhost.osl.state.or.us]On Behalf Of Denise Davis

Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:14 PM

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Subject: [Libs-Or] Fwd: Book Collection Home Page

I'm not sure we want to promote this, esp as we want libraries to have real
automation systems, but it is useful to know about these packages.

Denise

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From: Ernest Perez <ernest.r.perez at state.or.us>

To: Kyle Banerjee <banerjee_kyle at oslmac.osl.state.or.us>

Subject: Book Collection Home Page

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 16:02:23 -0700

http://www.portable-software.com/download/bc/Book%20Collection.htm

FYI....

I just happened across this "baby PAC." Seems pretty useful for a potential
smaller library user. Priced at $25 Standard, $95 Professional. Features
listing sounds decently advanced; they do offer Web access.

The Web  pages don't say anything about LC Marc records, but they're
pitching easy bib record retrieval  from the Web, "ISBN query to download
book details direct from the web." Amazon, LC, where?

For later migration, they do offer data export to a number of standard
formats, albeit again not mentioning Marc records. But I would assume it'd
be sufficient data for a batch update from OCLC or  Marchive or some such
service.

Cheers,

--ernest

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