[Libs-Or] One way to push back on Greedy Journal Publishers

Alan Cordle, PCC Library acordle at pcc.edu
Mon Feb 28 08:11:41 PST 2011


I work very closely with Tony Greiner Enterprises and live two blocks from
the CEO. I must warn everyone that there is talk of a hostile takeover. ;)

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Shannon Van Kirk <SVanKirk at bluecc.edu>wrote:

> If ShannonVanKirk Enterprises grows as anticipated, we will be offering an
> IPO.  At that point it, too, might be successful enough to be acquired by
> Tony Greiner Enterprises.  I, of course, will be enjoying the proceeds of
> the IPO and subsequent sale on a Caribbean island (to be named later).
>
> Shannon Van Kirk, Director
> Blue Mountain Community College Library
> Pendleton, OR 97801
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> From: libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:
> libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
> hleman at samhealth.org
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:26 PM
> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] One way to push back on Greedy Journal Publishers
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> Hi, all. I very much agree with Jim Knutson that Tony Greiner's post is
> hilarious.
>
> I do want to mention that I did get some useful feedback about my grousing
> about the offer from a publisher to sell me reprints of my own article.
> Several librarians on the lists I had posted it my grumbles to (I had posted
> it to the Medlib, the main discussion list of the Medical Library
> Association, the Scholarly Communications list of the ALA, and here).
> Several librarians pointed out to me that it is standard operating procedure
> to offer reprints for a fee to an author and they said that that is actually
> a courtesy on the part of a publisher to an author who might want elegant
> copies to give to relatives, colleagues, etc. and that furthermore this
> particular publisher does offer Open Access options. So I just want to pass
> that info along in the interest of accuracy and fairness.
>
> Nevertheless, I did find it a bit galling to be marketed to with my own
> stuff, which I was not paid for in the first place and do want to stress
> that Open Access options resulted from years of work by advocates for Open
> Access and should not be taken for granted.
>
> Now, I am off to look into creating H. Leman Incorporated. Maybe someday I
> could be acquired by Tony Greiner Enterprises.
>
> Hope Leman, MLIS
> Research Information Technologist
> Center for Health Research and Quality
> Samaritan Health Services
> 815 NW 9th Street Suite 203A
> Corvallis, OR 97330
> (541) 768-5712
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 18:25:36 -0800
> From: Tony Greiner <tony_greiner at hotmail.com>
> To: <libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> Subject: [Libs-Or] One way to push back on Greedy Journal Publishers
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> I submitted an article to a professional journal (Not LJ- they pay!) and
> got some sort of garbage response about how I couldn't retain copyright and
> would not have reprint privileges.
> In response, I told them that I would pull the article unless I could
> retain reprint on online privileges. At that point, they told me that they
> signed those contracts only with companies, not individuals.
> So I created (in my head) Tony Greiner Enterprises, and sold it the rights
> to the article for 1 cent. I sent the article in again under the new company
> name, and said it would retain copyright and online right. The article was
> printed,  and I have reprinted the article and used it online.
>
> Tony Greiner, President, CEO, and Proprietor of Tony Greiner Enterprises.
>
> **tony_greiner at hotmail.com**
>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:12:04 -0800
> From: "Jim Knutson" <tintin at exchangenet.net>
> To: "Tony Greiner" <tony_greiner at hotmail.com>,
>        <libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] One way to push back on Greedy Journal
>        Publishers
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> If this was a FB post, I would "like" it. Excellent.
>
> RE:
>
>  From: Tony Greiner
>  To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>  Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:25 PM
>  Subject: [Libs-Or] One way to push back on Greedy Journal Publishers
>
>
>  I submitted an article to a professional journal (Not LJ - they pay!) and
> got some sort of garbage response about how I couldn't retain copyright and
> would not have reprint privileges.
>
>
>  In response, I told them that I would pull the article unless I could
> retain reprint on online privileges. At that point, they told me that they
> signed those contracts only with companies, not individuals.
>
>
>  So I created (in my head) Tony Greiner Enterprises, and sold it the rights
> to the article for 1 cent. I sent the article in, again, under the new
> company name, and said it would retain copyright and online rights. The
> article was printed, and I have reprinted the article and used it online.
>
>
>
>
>  Tony Greiner, President, CEO, and Proprietor of Tony Greiner Enterprises.
>
>  tony_greiner at hotmail.com
>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:57:50 -0800
> From: Erica Findley <erica.findley at gmail.com>
> To: AUTOCAT <autocat at listserv.syr.edu>,
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> Subject: [Libs-Or] ALCTS New Members Interest Group March chat -
>        Cataloging      Job Search
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