[Libs-Or] pbooks
Miriam Rigby
rigby at uoregon.edu
Wed Jan 19 12:07:37 PST 2011
I recommend we ask someone at Harvard. I hear they have had issues with
pbooks.
- Miriam
Assistant Professor, Social Sciences Librarian
Anthropology, Sociology, Ethnic Studies,& Clark Honors College
141, Knight Library
1299 University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
(541) 346-7202
rigby at uoregon.edu
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> 1. Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
> (hleman at samhealth.org)
> 2. Pronounce "pbook". (Jim Knutson)
> 3. Re: Pronounce "pbook". (hleman at samhealth.org)
> 4. Re: Pronounce "pbook". (Jim Knutson)
> 5. Re: Pronounce "pbook". (Mark Kille)
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> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
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> Hi, all. I would just like to draw your attention to a fascinating report co-authored by Paul Courant and Oregon's own Matthew "Buzzy" Nielsen of the North Bend Public Library in the volume, "The Idea of Order: Transforming Research Collections for 21st Century Scholarship." The article in question is entitled, "On the Cost of Keeping a Book." The PDF of the entire volume can be downloaded for free here:
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> https://www.clir.org/pubs/abstract/pub147abst.html
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> The report is a must-read review and primer on what exactly is entailed vis-a-vis cost of storage, labor, time, etc. in maintaining print collections. I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important
> to distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>
> Thank you, Buzzy, for setting such a sterling example of edifying, impressively documented, timely scholarship. Recommended reading for anyone who needs data on the actual costs incurred in library operations and would like to gain a grasp of the whole e-book versus print debate.
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> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable. Strictly a print word, not a spoken word.
>
> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to ask patrons. "Are you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>
> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What is a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a pbook?" (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run. Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note, the teller and others are telling him, "No, it says right here, 'I have a gub.' What is a gub?"
>
> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p before b"?
>
> RE:
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> From: hleman at samhealth.org
> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
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> <snip>
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> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
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> Hi, Jim. Good question--I would go with "pee-book" or "fook." Neither sounds ideal!
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> Hope
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> From: Jim Knutson [tintin at exchangenet.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:00 AM
> To: Hope Leman; libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
> Subject: Pronounce "pbook".
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> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable. Strictly a print word, not a spoken word.
>
> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to ask patrons. "Are you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>
> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What is a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a pbook?" (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run. Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note, the teller and others are telling him, "No, it says right here, 'I have a gub.' What is a gub?"
>
> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p before b"?
>
> RE:
>
> From: hleman at samhealth.org<mailto:hleman at samhealth.org>
> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us<mailto:libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
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> <snip>
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> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>
> <snip>
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> Hope Leman, MLIS
> Research Information Technologist
> Center for Health Research and Quality
> Samaritan Health Services
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> brought a grin:
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> From: hleman at samhealth.org
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> Hi, Jim. Good question--I would go with "pee-book" or "fook." Neither sounds ideal!
>
> Hope
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> From: Jim Knutson [tintin at exchangenet.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:00 AM
> To: Hope Leman; libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
> Subject: Pronounce "pbook".
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> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable. Strictly a print word, not a spoken word.
>
> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to ask patrons. "Are you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>
> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What is a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a pbook?" (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run. Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note, the teller and others are telling him, "No, it says right here, 'I have a gub.' What is a gub?"
>
> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p before b"?
>
> RE:
>
> From: hleman at samhealth.org<mailto:hleman at samhealth.org>
> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us<mailto:libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>
> <snip>
>
> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to distinguish them from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>
> <snip>
>
> Hope Leman, MLIS
> Research Information Technologist
> Center for Health Research and Quality
> Samaritan Health Services
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> From: Mark Kille<markakille at gmail.com>
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> Okay, bringing back my undergraduate linguistics days...which were a
> while ago, and the ten minutes of international phonetic alphabet
> review I just did isn't really so much, so bear with me. :)
>
> Going by typical English spelling usage, it would probably be
> "pee-book," like "gee-mail." (I can already hear the kids giggling.)
> If we take it as a word actually to be pronounced as spelled, a native
> English speaker would probably come out with something like
> "puh-BOOK."
>
> Phonologically, technically /p/ is a bilabial voiceless consonant and
> /b/ is a bilabial voiced consonant. It is possible for consonants to
> have two simultaneous points of articulation, as in the single sound
> "gb" found in several West African languages. But p and b have the
> same point of articulation--both lips--and I can't find any reference
> to a consonant being simultaneously voiced and voiceless. In practice
> "pbook" would probably resolve as either "pook" or "book,"
> phonologically.
>
> I vote for "pb" being the bilabial percussive, otherwise known as the
> sound of lips smacking. "Pbook" would then sound like "[smack]-ook."
> Fun to say 10 times fast!
>
> Mark Kille
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Jim Knutson<tintin at exchangenet.net> wrote:
>> Wouldn't ya know the invented new word would be unpronounceable. Strictly a
>> print word, not a spoken word.
>>
>> Gonna have to change it if it's something we're going to?ask patrons. "Are
>> you looking for that as pbook or an e-book?"
>>
>> Unless we just start submitting notes to them. But they still say, "What is
>> a pbook? It says right here 'Are you looking for a pbook?' What is a pbook?"
>> (Reminds me of the "gub" gag in Woody Allen's Take the Money and Run.
>> Arguing with Allen as bank robber who's submitted the teller a note, the
>> teller and others are telling him,?"No, it says right here, 'I have a gub.'
>> What is a gub?"
>>
>> A pbook? Or is it a silent "p", as in pneumonia? What's the rule on "p
>> before b"?
>>
>> RE:
>>
>>
>> From: hleman at samhealth.org
>> To: libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:03 AM
>> Subject: [Libs-Or] Interesting article by our own Buzzy Nielsen
>> <snip>
>>
>> I found this sentence, for instance, quite interesting, "...print books
>> (hereafter referred to as pbooks when it is important to distinguish them
>> from electronic books, or ebooks)."
>>
>> <snip>
>> Hope Leman, MLIS
>> Research Information Technologist
>> Center for Health Research and Quality
>> Samaritan Health Services
>>
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