[Libs-Or] Orbis Cascade Alliance communication with EBSCO and Ex Libris about data sharing

Mon Jun 9 09:59:00 PDT 2014

No, but I was trying to stop the discussion.

Max gets carried away from time to time and this posting was one of those.
Haven't we all gone a bit too far from time to time,  though maybe not
quite so publicly.  Racism is a real issue and one that Max faces daily.  I
don't so it is hard for me to judge how frustrated I would get.  We do not
have a lot of diversity in the library world, though it might be marginally
better than 20 years ago.

I know those of you at Multnomah think about this and have consciously
looked at how to make changes.

I look at it here in Lincoln County and I know we want to do more but
haven't succeeded as much as we would like.

  I was just as uncomfortable as everyone else was with the comments made
but decided to look beyond those particular words to where that kind of
intense frustration comes from. Again, I'm a middle aged white woman who
has not had the same experiences so I have to step back a bit and look at
the big picture.

Yes, I my first message was just written in hopes to move us off of this
uncomfortable message and discussion but now I am thinking that the bigger
discussion might be good and help us understand what causes such an angry
and frustrated response.
 On Jun 9, 2014 9:37 AM, "Jane Salisbury" <janesa at multcolib.org> wrote:

> Calling the entire library profession white supremacists is really not a
> very useful way of engaging in a conversation about diversity. 
>
> *Jane Salisbury*
> Supervisor, Library Outreach Services
> Multnomah County Library
> 205 NE Russell
> Portland, OR 97212
>
> Phone: 503.988.4081  Website: www.multcolib.org
>
> *janesa at multcolib.org <xxxxxxx at multcolib.org>*
> www.multcolib.org
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>
> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Diedre Conkling <diedre08 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Max is a good person and not a troll. I usually enjoy his postings on
>> Facebook.  I think that in this case he may not have done the research he
>> should have done before posting.
>>
>>   I did notice only one woman as part of the Ex Libris management team,
>> which never thrills me but is not unusual.   I think it doesn't hurt to
>> look at the diversity of the groups with which we work. Maybe this message
>> can just serve as a general reminder that taking a look at the diversity of
>> a company is a good thing to do.
>>  On Jun 9, 2014 8:49 AM, "Chandra vanEijnsbergen" <
>> chandrav at dpls.lib.or.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Who IS This Max person? Does anyone know him or her? What institution
>>> does he/she work for? My thought is we have a troll in our midst. My
>>> suggestion would be to remove this person from the list. If their
>>> institution would like them on it again, they can let us know and we can
>>> let them know why they were removed. Max's argument, as we can all see, is
>>> ludicrous (really, libraries are all run by white supremacists??) and it
>>> doesn't even hold together. Let's not waste any more time on trolls.
>>>
>>> Chandra vanEijnsbergen
>>> Community Librarian
>>> East Bend Public Library
>>> Deschutes Public Library System
>>> 541.330.3764
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Libs-Or [libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] on behalf of
>>> Shultz, Cedate [cshultz at cci.edu]
>>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 8:13 AM
>>> To: Sheryl Eldridge; 'Max Macias'; Paul Addis
>>> Cc: Libs-Or; WLA Washington Library Assn
>>> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] Orbis Cascade Alliance communication with EBSCO
>>> and Ex Libris about data sharing
>>>
>>> The company headquarters is in Jerusalem
>>>
>>> http://learn.exlibrisgroup.com/mod/resource/view.php?id=267
>>>
>>> Perhaps it would be more useful to direct your concerns about diversity
>>> to Orbis Cascade, rather than generalizing an Israeli run company and an
>>> entire industry as white supremacists.
>>>
>>> You are, after all, a part of that industry as well……
>>>
>>> Cedate Shultz, MLIS, MEd
>>> Everest College Portland Library
>>> 600 SW 10th Avenue, #400
>>> Portland, Oregon 97205
>>> cshultz at cci.edu<mailto:cshultz at cci.edu>
>>> (503)221-2648
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Libs-Or [mailto:libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On
>>> Behalf Of Sheryl Eldridge
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 11:49 AM
>>> To: 'Max Macias'; Paul Addis
>>> Cc: Libs-Or; WLA Washington Library Assn
>>> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] Orbis Cascade Alliance communication with EBSCO
>>> and Ex Libris about data sharing
>>>
>>> I believe the company is in Israel.
>>>
>>> Sheryl Eldridge, Supervising Librarian
>>> Newport Public Library<http://www.newportlibrary.org/>
>>> 35 NW Nye St.
>>> Newport, OR 97365
>>> 541.265.2153
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Libs-Or [mailto:libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On
>>> Behalf Of Max Macias
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 10:21 AM
>>> To: Paul Addis
>>> Cc: Libs-Or; WLA Washington Library Assn
>>> Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] Orbis Cascade Alliance communication with EBSCO
>>> and Ex Libris about data sharing
>>>
>>> Did you not see the page?
>>>
>>> I didn't see any Asian, Latinos, or Blacks in their leadership.
>>>
>>> Please correct me if I am mistaken.
>>>
>>>
>>> Homogeneous systems are defunct.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm saying that for a company who does business in the US, this
>>> organization's leadership seems AWFULLY homogeneous.
>>>
>>> Incidentally, from my perspective, those hash tags can cover the entire
>>> library industry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Paul Addis <paddis at cclsd.org<mailto:
>>> paddis at cclsd.org>> wrote:
>>> Hello Max,
>>>
>>> Could you please be more specific with your claim? Seems like a serious
>>> accusation given the hash tags (?) you have included here.
>>>
>>> Maybe, I missed part of the conversation?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any clarification you might provide,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/06/2014 12:47 pm, Max Macias wrote:
>>> The leadership/management team at Ex Libris seems to not have diversity:
>>> http://www.exlibrisgroup.com/category/ManagementTeam [5]
>>>
>>>
>>> #racist #libraries #diversity #culture #business #Oregon
>>> #BlackandBrown #WhiteSupremacist #OrbisCascade
>>>
>>> I don't like companies who are not ethnically diverse and I think
>>> Oregon Tax Payer money should only go to business partners who are
>>> ethnically diverse.
>>>
>>> Max Macias
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:55 AM, John F. Helmer <jhelmer at orbiscascade.org
>>> <mailto:jhelmer at orbiscascade.org>> wrote:
>>> Northwest colleagues,
>>>
>>> You may be aware that the Alliance has been encouraging EBSCO and Ex
>>> Libris to reach a data sharing agreement that allows EBSCO content to be
>>> fully represented in Primo.  Although this particular conversation involves
>>> these two vendors, it is part of a broader principal.  We continue to hold
>>> that libraries must be able to make independent decisions about content and
>>> discovery.  All of the content our members purchase must be fully available
>>> via our chosen discovery system.
>>>
>>> As you will recall, in April EBSCO announced a new metadata sharing
>>> policy.  Since that time we have been analyzing this proposal and have
>>> engaged with both vendors. Now the Alliance Board has formally responded.
>>> In brief the Board's letter to EBSCO and Ex Libris says that we celebrate
>>> this step in the right direction but that it is not enough.  The letter
>>> asks for a quick implementation timeline and a roadmap for more.
>>> See the latest letter and entire dialog at
>>> https://www.orbiscascade.org/ebsco-ex-libris/ [1]
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes.
>>>
>>> --
>>> _________________________________
>>>
>>> John F. Helmer
>>> Executive Director
>>> Orbis Cascade Alliance
>>> jhelmer at orbiscascade.org<mailto:jhelmer at orbiscascade.org>
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