[Libs-Or] About the Petition to the State Library of Oregon

[Max Macias]

Thanks Ms. Hummel.


Your emails are enlightening.


Max



On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 8:07 AM Penelope Hummel <penny at pennyhummel.com>
wrote:

> Max--it is unfortunate that you appear to believe that *any *critique of
> a EDIA initiative, however respectfully and thoughtfully expressed, is
> hurtful to BIPOC people.  By saying “just stop” you are quite clearly
> telling me to shut up. That the only way I can avoid your repeated public
> censure is to either go silent, affirm everything you say, or recant my
> heresy.  It must be frustrating to you that unlike others, I haven’t
> cracked under your constant pressure.  This is exactly the toxic dynamic I
> was trying to address in my last post.  Thank you for demonstrating it so
> clearly.
>
> I’m not sure who you’ve cc’d on this message at the American Library
> Association but can only hope that they are affiliated with the Office of
> Intellectual Freedom.
>
> In general, I find virtue signaling to be pretentious and annoying but
> since I am being publicly accused of damaging my BIPOC colleagues, I will
> just say that there are currently two Oregon BIPOC librarians who are doing
> the great work they are doing in part because I saw their potential,
> mentored them and encouraged them to go to library school. I did so for all
> the same reasons that OLA is supporting its EDIA initiatives:  our
> profession needs to become more diverse and nurturing BIPOC talent is
> essential in that effort.  I fail to understand how the only way to support
> EDIA work is to never dare to question any of it.  And so far, no one who
> has been engaged in this current conversation has addressed this issue.
> Reiterating how important EDIA work is (which I wholeheartedly agree with)
> does not address this issue.
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> You are entitled to behave on this listserv however you want.  What
> surprises me are the number of people in our community who continue to
> lavish public praise on you despite the nature of your discourse. You write
> below “Anyone who has eyes can make their own judgements about you and your
> behavior.”
>
> Yes, Max, that’s quite true.  Anyone who has eyes can make their own
> judgements about you and your behavior.
>
> I stand by mine.
>
> Penny Hummel
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> PENNY HUMMEL CONSULTING
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> penny at pennyhummel.com | 503.890.0494 | www.pennyhummel.com
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> *From: *Max Macias <max.macias at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:05 AM
> *To: *Penelope Hummel <penny at pennyhummel.com>
> *Cc: *"libs-or at omls.oregon.gov" <libs-or at omls.oregon.gov>, "
> REFORMANet at googlegroups.com" <REFORMANet at googlegroups.com>, <thall at ala.org
> >
> *Subject: *Re: [Libs-Or] About the Petition to the State Library of Oregon
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> Ms. Hummel,
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> Thank you--it is great to know where people stand.
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> When white people are scared to talk and they find a spokesperson for
> them--such as you--a mass of pity is created for them.
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> However, when BIPOC raise concerns on this email list they are labelled as
> aggressive, as 'using tactics" to intimidate people--they are castigated
> and ostracized.
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> You, Ms. Hummel are being aggressive, unprofessional and are using
> intimidation tactics against BIPOC who are doing Equity, DIversity,
> Inclusion and Antiracism work in Oregon.
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> I'm not going to label your behavior--I wouldn't want to be accused of
> being aggressive.
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> Anyone who has eyes can make their own judgements about you and your
> behavior.
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> Please stop now--you are hurting people.
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> Max Macias
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> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:58 PM Penelope Hummel via Libs-Or <
> libs-or at omls.oregon.gov> wrote:
>
> Since my post late Monday raising ethical concerns in light of the OLA
> Executive Board’s endorsement of a petition promoting its president-elect
> for a position at the state library, I’ve had 20 different people contact
> me about it privately. (It’s been a busy couple of days.)
>
> One of them likened my original post to a public lynching.
>
> The other 19 were from people I know well and people I don’t know at all.
> They live all over the state, are early career, mid-career and retired, are
> managers and front-line staff.  They are your colleagues and quite
> possibly, your good friends. They may see some things differently than you
> do regardless of whether you know that about them or not.
>
> Almost all stated that they did not feel safe publicly disclosing what
> they had to say to me.  So, with their permission, I am sharing some
> representative comments anonymously.  My focus here is not to rehash points
> I’ve already made about the EDIA petition, but rather to raise the issue of
> how we (as the Oregon library community) hold respectful space for each
> other to express dissenting points of view.  As you encounter the recurring
> themes in these comments, I hope you will ask yourself: * how are we
> doing on that?  *
> _________________________________________________________________________
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> *I feel silenced and unwelcome in this discussion given the language and
> the tactics that are being used.  I appreciate you speaking up and asking
> good questions because I obviously cannot. Libraries have an opportunity to
> provide a place where civil discourse can happen, a place where false
> dichotomies and polarization are discouraged.   There’s a real need for
> that in the world right now. The dialogue needs to be constructive. *
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> *Thank you for speaking up about this. I am sorry to see, once again,
> anyone offering up constructive criticism of anything being done by anyone
> having to do with EDIA efforts is being labeled as, “those who would keep
> whiteness in control of everything”. Unfortunately, this always turns
> personal and misses the point.*
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> *Your assessment of the issue of conflict of interest was spot on, as well
> as your assessment of how things may have gone with the executive board. I
> have spoken with several colleagues today that saw it that way as well. But
> we fear speaking up publicly about it because of how we’ve seen things pan
> out in the past. I am still relatively early in my library career and don’t
> feel I can speak up in good faith without it being seen as a personal
> attack that leads to potential retaliation.*
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> *Thank you so much for this statement. This is exactly how I felt when I
> read the petition, which I did not sign for this very reason. I am
> concerned that this will be noted by some and hurt my standing within the
> OLA ranks.*
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>  *I share the same concerns as you, regarding the appropriateness of the
> petition and the conflict of interest, but I do not feel like that I can
> step forward. So I appreciate you giving voice to the potential ethical
> issues with the petition.*
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> *What you did is very brave and currently I am not brave enough to stand
> with you publicly and I am ashamed of that. While it may sound extreme, I
> am afraid of losing my ability to keep my job, or get another library job,
> if I speak up.*
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> *I felt compelled to write and just let you know I appreciate what you
> shared on libs-or about “groupthink” and concerns about conflict of
> interest regarding the EDIA petition. I, too, have been concerned about
> both of these things, both in this instance and many others.  *
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> *I do feel like we (the collective ‘we’ of OLA) have been demonstrating
> some concerning behavior where if an idea/request/thought/initiative is
> presented under the lens of EDIA, it appears through repeated examples that
> they are accepted, cart blanche, without active discourse of clear critical
> thought.  I personally do feel unsafe bringing up dissenting opinions for
> the exact fear that was just enacted on you, which is public ridicule and
> criticism, immediately casting one out as not being an “ally” or supporting
> the needs and advances of our EDIA directives.*
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> *I have concerns with the EDI Toolkit distributed, was it vetted by an HR
> attorney of reasonable experience? If not, I would consider it slanted
> advice, I don’t need the grief in my life to ask that question at this
> point. I am glad you made the points you did today. I was not surprised to
> see the responses that came.*
> ___________________________________________________________________________
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> *My colleague and I discussed this and we do not believe commenting on the
> forum would accomplish much of anything other than creating trouble for us
> and possibly destroying our respective careers.  I read the petition and
> was dismayed at its divisive language and also that the author of the
> petition was being promoted as the perfect person to fulfill the new
> prospective job position, especially in light of her current position of
> being an incoming OLA president.  Like you, I felt this to be a conflict of
> interest. I would like to see the petition worded differently and the
> conflict of interest in naming Marci Ramiro Jenkins specifically for it be
> taken out in order to garner my support.  If I state this however then I’m
> labeled instantly as a racist so I won’t say anything. I appreciate that
> you took the leadership to address what you saw as problems with the
> petition in a way that I’d not be surprised was similar to the way a number
> of us saw it.  However open discussion and diversity of opinions no longer
> seems to be allowed, not even in the library world.*
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> __________________________________________________________________________
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> *I wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your posts to Libs-Or
> concerning the petition. I don't feel capable of navigating the hazardous
> trail of this discussion openly but have shared your concerns with this
> process. You have eloquently addressed them in a respectful way, which I so
> appreciate.  Like so many librarians I know and respect, I want to see
> BIPOC rise in the profession. I see this issue making it more difficult to
> navigate, especially after reading the September statement by WOC-LIB.
> Carry on and know how much you are appreciated for your ability to speak
> out. I am not alone in knowing that you are doing so with the best interest
> in the advancement of all libraries and librarians. *
> __________________________________________________________________________
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> Penny Hummel
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> PENNY HUMMEL CONSULTING
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> penny at pennyhummel.com | 503.890.0494 | www.pennyhummel.com
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> *Ensuring that libraries survive and thrive in challenging times*
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