[or-roots] Redirection of Big Cat discussion

Fri Dec 9 11:41:40 PST 2005

Dale

I have to chuckle!  Not that I have any reason to believe this is the same family, but consider this:

Lottie Parks father was George B. W. Parks, born in Greenup County, KY, family moved to Wayne Co., WV
(then VA), across the Big Sandy River. He went in Tipton County, IN, where he married Lottie's mother,
Cynthia Richardson. They moved to Douglas County, OR in 1853, then to Union County, then to Whitman Co.,
Wash. Terr. by 1880.

BUT, George B. W.'s mother was a Hardwick!  Her name was Mary/Polly, father was "J. Hardwick". So, if'n
you think *your* Hardwicks came from eastern Kentucky and Virginia, maybe there is a connection.  I know
they family wrote back and forth to the Parks in WV (two other Parks brothers came about 1880 or so, one
to Benton/Lincoln County, the other to Washington). No reason they couldn't have been sending "y'all come"
to the Hardwicks as well.

BTW, there are some interesting tombstones for this family in the Colton Cemetery. 

I did find most of your kin in the 1920/30 census, 

Hmmm

Pat

 -----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
Harguess, Dale
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:10
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I have checked out the father.  First he went to California for awhile and was living with his widowed
father in the 1920 census.  No children were with them.  He then subsequently remarried and had two
additional children by his second wife.

It is interesting where your people are from because this guy was living with his parents and brother in
Whitman County, Washington in the 1910 census as was my grandmother's father and his new wife and step
daughter.  I think this may have been where my grandmother met him.  She may have gone to visit her father
and met this young man while she was there.  She got pregnant and they married in Walla Walla in 1913 when
she was 14 years old (no surprise that they got a divorce a few years later).  The little girl was born
Sept. 11, 1914 her name was Verna Marie Hardwick.  My grandmother then had another child about a year
later who was a boy.  In 1918 I found her living in Portland with her ex-husband's brother.  This was in a
City Directory so I don't know if the children were with her or not.  The next I find her living with her
new husband (my grandfather, I think) in the 1920 census living in Aberdeen Washington.  By this time she
has changed her name from Venus to Jean and the little girl is not with her.

In 1910 my grandmother and her mother and siblings were living in Milton-Freewater, Umatilla County,
Oregon.  I never have found her divorce from her first husband or her marriage record to her second
husband.  If I could find these two records it might tell me a lot.

The name of the father was Noah Hardwick and his brother is another one that seemed to disappear off the
planet after 1918.  His name was Jesse Hardwick and he was several years older than his brother.  I think
he might have gone to WWI and maybe died, I never can find him again after 1918.  My grandmother's name
was Versey Venus (Jean) Howell, Hardwick, Flynn, Chedore.  She really wasn't a shady lady, but I think she
may have gotten caught up in the flapper phase of life.  She never would tell me or anyone anything about
her past.  I have been digging like crazy for years to find anything I can.  I have her mother's two
divorce papers, her grandmother's divorce papers and one of hers but sure would like to get the Hardwick
one and the Flynn marriage.

Sorry for such a long post, this is one of my most frustrating ancestors.

Dale

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From: or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
Kith-n-Kin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 9:11 AM
To: or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
Subject: RE: [or-roots] Redirection of Big Cat discussion

This may seem too simple, but have you ruled out that she went with her father? 

I saw that Layne gave you some clues regarding the archives, maybe that will help.

By the way, just as a further example -- my great-grandmother (Lottie Parks) married and had two daughters
by Matt Reid. They were in eastern Oregon in 1870 before the children were born. By 1880, Lottie has
married my great-grandfather (Henry Laramie Palmer) and they are in Whitman County, Washington, with my
grand-aunt, Nettie, born in Idaho Territory, 1878. 

Where were the girls?  I don't know, but the presumption is that they were living with the paternal
grandparents or siblings, but I haven't found them yet. A few years later they were together with Lottie
in Lincoln (then Benton) County. The eldest, Mollie Reid, actually married her mother's brother-in-law,
Henry's brother Edwin.  

So--do you know anything about the father, other than he didn't die at the prison?  Have you checked out
his siblings?

What is this child's name? Maybe we can help.

Pat

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Harguess, Dale
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 09:38
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It would have been in either Umatilla County or Morrow County as that is where she was living in 1917.
Someone on the list found her and her husband with only one child in an Oregon State Census that I think
was on ancestry.com.  I am only assuming that she was put up for adoption because my grandmother never
told anyone about having this oldest daughter or even that she had been married before my grandfather came
along.  Her entire family clammed up about the little girl and some told a story that she was murdered by
her father and that he was hanged in Walla Walla State prison.  I have proved that this is not true.  So
my final thought is that the big secret was that she was given up for adoption and that is why I can find
no record of her death or of a burial or anything.  She just seemed to drop off the earth at the age of
about 3.

Dale

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From: or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
Kith-n-Kin
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:08 AM
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>If I can segue into a question that I am hoping someone on the list can help me with?  Does anyone know
if there were any official adoptions of children in the period of 1916 to about 1919?  I am looking for a
sister of my mother who was most likely put up for adoption when her mother got divorced. Dale<

Where?  There were adoptions (legal) at that time, but (a) not everywhere, and (b) not always, especially
if the child went to a relative.

Take a look at this: http://www.uoregon.edu/~adoption/index.html

I suggest that if this was an Oregon placement, the people at UofO should be able to help you, in terms of
where to look for these records.

AND, by the way -- GO 'CATS! Beat the Huskys! Beat the Beavs! Beat the Cougs! Beat the Ducks!

[sorry, I got carried away]

Pat (in Tucson)

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