[or-roots] Thanks - Oregon convict - Clifford GAAR

[Chris Havnar]

For future researchers:

I still have additional avenues to pursue - but this is what I have found
so far - just in case anyone else is looking at this man/family.  (Clifford
married into a family of mine - and every so often I chase after the
married into's)

Clifford GAAR - In 1900 U.S. Census he was enumerated in the household of
his grandfather George DeBord
Grandmother - Eliza A. DeBord, Uncle Eli DeBord and a cousin (grandson to
George) Guy E. Wilson age 10
Name:	Clifford Gaar
Home in 1900:  Independence, Polk, Oregon
Age:  5 
Birth:  May 1895 
Birthplace:  Oregon 
Father Born: Don't Know, Mother Born: Oregon
Race:  White 
Relationship to head-of-house:  Grandson 
Source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Independence, Polk, Oregon; Roll: T623
1351; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 175.

I'm not finding anyone of interest in the 1910 census - Not Clifford Gaar
or any of the DeBord's 

I did look at the 1880 census - and see three daughters of George DeBord
and assume that two of them are the mothers of Guy and Clifford ... but
which ones .....  
1880 United States Census - Household:
 Name 	Relation	Marital Status	Gender	Race   Age        Birthplace
Occupation   Father's Birthplace  Mother's Birthplace
 George DEBORD   Self 	 M 	 Male 	        W       49 	 IN 	 Laborer 	 	TX
IN 
 Eliza DEBORD      Wife 	 M 	 Female 	 W       44 	 MO 	 Keeping House 	 MA
	 IL 
 Olive DEBORD      Dau 	 S 	 Female 	 W       16 	 OR 	  		 IN 	 MO 
 Lola DEBORD       Dau 	 S 	 Female 	 W       11 	 OR 	  		 IN 	 MO 
 Lillie DEBORD      Dau 	 S 	 Female 	 W         8 	 OR 	  	 	 IN 	 MO 
 Eli DEBORD          Son 	 S 	 Male 	 W         4 	 OR 	  	 	 IN 	 MO 
Source Information: Census Place Independence, Polk, Oregon Family History
Library Film 1255083 NA Film Number   T9-1083 Page Number  481D 

1920 I find the bride to be still with her father - and Clifford Gaar in
the Oregon State Penitentiary.
1930 I can't find Clifford Gaar anywhere.  Neither can I find his bride -
the previous Alva Seely - or who I think she is from the California Death
Index - 
BISPIKIS  ALVAE  DOLORES  07/29/1904  ZURGHER  SEELY  F  CALIFORNIA  SAN
JOAQUIN    05/02/1942    37 yrs  

If this rings any bells with anyone, I'm interested.  I will be requesting
death certs from California for the wife under the new name and Clifford
GAAR from San Francisco.

I'm not convinced that J.C. GARR in Washington County in 1919 is the same
person as Clifford J. GARR in Marion County, Oregon State Penitentiary in
Salem in 1920.  

Wouldn't Washington County be jail and Marion County be real deal prison -
and then there is the matter of J.C. vs. C.J.  - Is not the prison system
real into exact names .....  

Thanks for all your help and if and when I get more info I'll share it with
the archives .....

I missed being able to check out San Francisco newspaper records by a
couple of hours  to check out if there is an obit for Clifford GAAR in San
Francisco newspapers - I'm still a working person, and only got off 2 hours
this afternoon......

And I said R.R. fire-something or other because I couldn't read the letters
beyond R.R. Fire .... and I pushed the resolution up past 400 per cent and
I looked at the computer screen from a couple of feet behind the computer,
usually pushing the resolution way-up and steppping back in the kitchen
makes me see the writting on the census registers.

Chris


At 01:34 PM 12/23/2005 +0000, you wrote: 
>>>>
Chris
R.R. could stand for Railroad and your firemen or something could mean he
was a firemen on the railroad.  You could check with the railroad
retirement board in Chicago to see if they have records on him.
Glen Portland, Oregon. 
  
--
Glen A. Jones
  
-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Sue Steward" <ssteward at ccountry.net> 

> Database: California Death Index, 1940-1997 
> Name:GAAR, CLIFFORD J 
> Social Security #: 
> Sex:MALE 
> Birth Date:25 May 1895 
> Birthplace:WASHINGTON 
> Death Date:25 Sep 1965 
> Death Place:SAN FRANCISCO 
> Mother's Maiden Name:DEBORD 
> Father's Surname: 
> 
> 
> *********************************************************** 
> 
> Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information 
> Case# 8007 
> Name Gaar, J C 
> Date 11-07-1919 
> Record Type Inmate 
> County Washington 
> Source Penitentiary 
> Identifier 
> Remarks 
> 
> Case file information available from the Oregon State Archives 
> http://arcweb.sos.state.or.us/referen ce.html 
> 
> **********************************************
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris Havnar" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:55 PM 
> Subject: [or-roots] Oregon convict - Clifford GAAR 
> 
> 
> > I found someone in the 1920 census in the Oregon State Penitentiary in 
> > Salem, Oregon. I'm not finding him in the 1930 census. 
> > 
> > Does anyone have any idea where I could find more information on the 
> > following gentleman. 
> > 
> > Name: Cliff ord J Gaar 
> > Age: 24 years 
> > Estimated birth year: abt 1896 
> > Birthplace: Washington 
> > Race: White 
> > Home in 1920: Salem Ward 6, Marion, Oregon 
> > Sex: Male 
> > Marital status: Married 
> > Able to read: Yes 
> > Able to Write: Yes 
> > Mother's Birth Place: United States of America 
> > Father's Birth Place: United States of America 
> > 
> > Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: Salem Ward 6, Marion, Oregon; Roll: 
> > T625_1498; Page: 3A; Enumeration District: 353 
> > 
> > His previous profession appears to be R.R. something-or-other 
> > (fire-something) 
> > 
> > The lady that I think was his wife, died in 1942 in California on the 
> > California Death Index, remarried, not finding her in 1930 under any of 
> > three last names. 
> > 
> > I did find t he son of Clifford Gaar living with his grandparents in 
> > California in 1930 census as a 9 year old, born June 1920.