[or-roots] A Query

[Harguess, Dale]

You don't know the half of it (confusing).  The truth is that Noah
Hardwick in the 1910 census in Washington is accurate and the right guy.
Venus Howell was actually Versey Venus Howell but just to keep you on
your toes she used the name Jean.  Clifford Flynn is really Clifford
Carl Hardwick.  When Noah and Venus (Jean) got divorced?  She did
eventually marry Thomas Seldon Flynn and they always called Clifford
(Flynn).  I have the paperwork where she tried to get his name changed
legally but was denied.  If you go by a name long enough it is yours.  I
know that there was a Noah Frank Hardwick and possibly another Noah but
I have not been able to sort them out.  I would very much like to get in
touch with the person who submitted this as that might indeed help me
out.
Just to keep things straight James Ernest Chedore was actually her 4th
husband.  She had another one after Flynn but it was annulled and my mom
can't remember the guy's name.  Ruth Ellen Chedore died when she was 9
years old.  The only two children left alive of Venus (Jean) are my
mother and my uncle Cliff.
Dale

-----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Sue Steward
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:28 PM
To: or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
Subject: Re: [or-roots] A Query

There's a little confusion about Noah Hardwick's middle iitial.  Here
are
things I found on Ancestry.com    Noah Hardwick married Venus Howell,
daughter of Thomas Howell and Lillie Mae Hoskins.  Children:  Verna
Maried
(?) Hardwick.  No dates or anything.  Information submitted by B. King
Kingb247 at aol.com    This submission shows Venus was married second to
Selden
Flynn and their first child was Clifford Flynn?? plus 3 daughters.
Also
incidates she was married third to J. Ernest Chedar and they had 1
daughter,
Ruth Chedar.  Assume this B. King might be a good resource to at least
check
with.

1920    Stockton, San Joaquin County, California  Census
        Thomas J. Hardwick    Head    Widowed
        Noah H. Hardwick        Son    b. about 1895 in Washington
Divorced

1930 Portland, Multnomah, Oregon  census
    Hardwick, Noah F.    born about 1895
    Hardwick, Edith     wife born about 1895
    Hardwick, Warren    son born about 1925
    Hardwick, Maxine    daughter born about 1928
According to Oregon Death Index, Edith died 20 Oct 1931 in Marion
County,
Oregon, Certificate #756, spouse:  Noah.

Oregon Death Index
    Name:  Noah F. Hardwick
    County:  Multnomah
    Date:  1 June 1963
    Certificate: 8860
    Age:  68
    Spouse:  Bessie

Oregon Death Index
    Name:  Bessie Mar (Marie??) Hardwick
    County:  Multnomah
    Death Date:  Sep 13, 1986
    Certificate:  86-16109
    Birth Date:  3 April 1893
    Spouse:  Noah

Social Security Death Index
    Noah Hardwick    540-07-8411
    born 11 June 1894
    died June 1963
    Last Residence:  Oregon

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Oregon Death Index, 1903-98 Record
about Amanda M. Hardwick
            Name: Hardwick, Amanda M.
            County: Linn
            Death Date: 13 Sep 1915
            Certificate: 5156


1910 census lists Noah's mother as A. M. Hardwick, don't know if this
might
be her.

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----
-------------
Assume this may be your Noah's brother since the 1910 census listed him
as
J. J.
Oregon Death Index
    Name:  Jesse  J. Hardwick
    County:  Wasco
    Date:  29 Dec 1951
    Certificate:  4893
________________________________________________________________
Just a comment in response to your comment.  I think this group is very
good
at checking on genealogy and being willing to help others.  However, if
there are no queries, I think sharing memories of earlier times in
Oregon
is very good in helping to fill in the blanks about what your ancestors
might have done in earlier time periods.

Good luck!

Sue
_____________________________________________________________

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Harguess, Dale
To: or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:14 AM
Subject: [or-roots] A Query

I have only been on the list a few days and I think I know why some
people
are dropping.  Maybe they are new like me and haven't seen anything yet
related to genealogy.
I will try to do a query and I hope someone out there can help me.  I am
trying to find a death record for a child named Verna Marie Hardwick.  I
think she died sometime between 1915 and 1919.  She was the child of
Noah
Hardwick and Versey Venus Howell.  She was born Sept. 11, 1914 in
Oregon,
but I don't know where.  I also would like to have an actual record of
her
birth as this date was given to me by a volunteer at the Blue Mountain
Genealogical Society and she didn't tell me where she got it.
This child is a total mystery in my family.  The legend was that she was
drowned in the Columbia river by her father who had gone berserk.  I
don't
think I believe this story because I have found Noah Hardwick in the
1920
census or maybe it was the 1930 living with a new wife and 2 children.
He
had a brother named Jesse that seems to have dropped off the planet
about
1919.  I found him living (Jesse, that is) in Portland in the City
Directory
of 1918.  He was living with his brother's wife at the time.  Does
anyone
have access to early obituaries in Portland?
I know this is more than one query, sorry.  I am just very frustrated
over
this as I really want to know the truth.
Dale in California


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