[or-roots] Canada-Flynn - Pickett

[Ray Powell]

MessageI have info that indicates it took place in MA a number of times back in the early 1700's!!

Ray

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  Dale

  Well, that sure makes sense -- I thought only the "southreners" did stuff like marrying cousins.  Sure did in my family.

  Only suggestion I have is to check out the Stillwater, MN historical society and see if they have anything. I was there years ago, on my way to prison (oh, that should be "on my way to visit the prison" <G>). Pretty town.

  You can probably even find the house!

  Good luck,

  Pat
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    The marriage license doesn't give anything except the name of the minister who performed the ceremony, their names and dates etc.

    My thought is that Catherine and Daniel were probably cousins and that is why he came to Minnesota.  I have a lot of first cousins marrying in my family so it wouldn't have been that unusual.  Another thing is that Flynn is a very common Irish name.

    It wasn't Catherine's grandmother that was the Flynn, it was her mother Genevieve.  She named her only daughter after her mother.  

    Daniel came to Canada when he was only 6 from Ireland.  This would have been during the famine.  Catherine was born in New Brunswick and I think that Daniel probably came with his father whose name was also Daniel Flynn.  On his death certificate it gives his father's name as Daniel but the name for the mother is "unknown".  I suspect she may have died when he was born and the family may have never mentioned her name so he didn't know it or if he did, he never talked about her to his wife or children.  On most of the census I have seen it gives Catherine's parents as being born in New Brunswick also.  If Genevieve Flynn the mother of Catherine was a relative of Daniel Flynn, Sr. it might explain why he came to Canada first instead of the United States.  I know that it was cheaper to go to Canada than the US so that may have also been a factor.

    Since Catherine came here when she was only about 3 and Daniel came much later but they both ended up in Minnesota because that is where they married.

    It is really frustrating to try and find these people.  I have tried every version of Pickett I could think of and just not luck.

    Dale



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    Whoa!  Are you saying that Catherine (Pickett) Flynn, wife of Daniel Flynn had a grandmother whose maiden name was also Flynn?  (I found that my grandmother, who provided the information for her father's death certificate, gave her paternal grandfather as "father" and her maternal grandmother as "mother" -- so perhaps this is what happened here).



    What does the marriage license say?



    Interesting that this family lived on Oak Street, Stillwater, MN from at least 1880 to 1920.  If they were married in 1875 (twenty-five years of marriage in the 1900 census), is this where you found the marriage license?



    I've spent the morning searching the 1860 and 1870 census for Minnesota for these folks, to no avail. 



    Pat (Flummoxed in Tucson) 



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      Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 09:34
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      Yes, according to Catherine's death certificate her father's name was Edmund Pickett and her mother's maiden name was Genevieve Flynn.  I know that she came from New Brunswick Canada but I haven't been able to find anything on her parents at all.

      Dale



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      Dale



      In the 1920, the first date is the year of immigration -- which is different for each of them, and the second is the date of naturalization -- again, different for each. 



      So, based on this, you would look for where Daniel was in 1891, and Catherine in 1875. Remembering that (a) this may not be correct, and (b) Catherine would have been naturalized as a child of her father, so probably no personal naturalization record.   Do we know parent's names?



      A child, Thomas, was born around 1891, in Minnesota. So, I'd be looking for Naturalization records for Daniel in the county courthouses there. As to Catherine, we have to find her parents to get this one.



      What does the marriage license say?



      Pat

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        Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 17:28
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        Subject: RE: [or-roots] Canada--Ezra Burkholder 

        Sorry it took so long to respond.

        What I need to be clear on is the first date in the parentheses the year they came to the states and is the year after the NA the year they were supposedly naturalized?  I have never been able to find Catherine's parents or her before her marriage to Daniel.  I did find him when he was single and living with a family named Casey when he was in his early 20's.



        So here is what I found




         Year: 1920; Census Place: Stillwater Ward 2, Washington, Minnesota; Roll: T625_866; Page: 7A; Enumeration District: 185; Image: 998.
        602 Oak Street
        150/175 Flynn, Daniel Head (owns home, free of mortgage) m w 72 m (1862 NA 1891) Ireland/Eng Ireland/Eng Ireland/Eng Pilot on a Steam Boat
        Flynn, Catherine, wife f w 63 m (1858 NA 1875) Canada/Eng Canada/Eng Canada/Eng




        Year: 1910; Census Place: 2-Wd Stillwater, Washington, Minnesota; Series: T624; Roll: 730; Page: 218A; Enumeration District: 182; Part: 2; Line: 13.
        606 Oak Street 178/196 Flynn, Daniel Head m w 62 m1 25 Ireland Ireland Ireland Imm 1872 (or 1862, hard to read) Na English River Pilot
        Catherine wife f w 53 m1 25 5/5 Canada/Eng Canada/Eng Canada/Eng imm 1860
        Genevive daughter f w 22 S Minnesota Ireland/O Canada/E Stenographer Office
        Seldon son m 2 19 S Minnesota Ireland/O Canada/E Book on River Boat
        Daniel m w 15 S Minnesota Ireland/O Canada/E none



        Year: 1900; Census Place: Stillwater Ward 2, Washington, Minnesota; Roll: T623 796; Page: 16B; Enumeration District: 45.
        606 West Oak Street 285/328 Flyn Daniel Head w m April 1847 53 m 25 Ireland Ireland Ireland 186[3?5?] 35 (yrs in US) Na Captain on Boat
        Katherin [B?] wife w f July 1855 44 m 25 5/5 Canada/E Canada/E Canada/E 1857 43
        Edmund [W?] son w m Apr 1878 22 S Minnesota Ireland Canada/E Raftsman
        Harry J. Son w m May 1880 20 S Minnesota Ireland Canada/E Fireman on Boat
        Genevieve daughter w f June 1887 12 S Minnesota Ireland Canada/E At School
        Thomas S. Son w m Sept 1891 9 S Minnesota Ireland Canada/E
        Daniel R. Son w m [Mar?] 1895 5  Ireland Canada/E



        Based on the date listed in 1920, which indicates he was naturalized in 1891, and the fact that Thomas S. was born in Stillwater in Sept of 1891, according to the 1900 census, I'd be checking in the Washington County, MN for the naturalization papers. 



        I've only done one or two naturalizations, and found them in county courthouse records, so am not the expert here. Perhaps you could begin at the http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnwashin/ to get some names of people and courthouses.



        Good luck.



        Pat


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