From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 10:59:21 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing In-Reply-To: <1397420339.1221191.1351813710817.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1354388361.87798.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I have recently been on a quest to find the parents of one of my buttonhole relatives in the 1910 census on Heritage Quest. I got so aggravated with the overall problems there I filed a tech support entry concerning their "Sinslaw" precinct. Right now I am trying to figure out where Hazel Dell precinct listed in Lane Co up to 1910 is, it is in Cascade national Forest Reserve, but Google earth and USGS do not have any such place name. Not having any luck finding precinct maps either except recent ones.? Anyway in my communications with HQ tech people I?received?this bit of information; Regarding the pagination differences between?ProQuest?s Ancestry Library Edition and?HeritageQuest?Online, please refer to the information below. I have no information regarding Family Search:1.????Ancestry created their own census name indexes, including the 1900 Federal Census.? They decided to use the Enumeration District and the handwritten page number as their method of identifying each census image.2.????HeritageQuest created their own census name indexes, too.? However, they decided to use the stamped page number as their method of identifying each census image.? The stamping was done by the National Archives just before they microfilmed the census.? (Note: HeritageQuest was acquired by ProQuest in 2001.? HeritageQuest now exists only as a product name.)3.????There wasn?t an industry standard when these two companies began indexing the census records.? Either method is still considered acceptable, but it does make it frustrating to search for the same image in both products.? The ED page method is becoming the norm, and it was used for the 1940 US Census Community Project.? ProQuest was a major partner in that project, and for that reason the 1940 Census in HeritageQuest Online will be using the ED page method.4.????Elizabeth Shown Mills is a highly-respected professional genealogist who wrote an excellent book titled, ?Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace (2nd Edition)?.? It?s considered by many to be the best guide to citing historical sources such as census records.? ?I recommend that you get a library copy of her book for examples on how to cite your sources taken from online commercial databases.? Also, you can visit her Amazon page for more information:?http://www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-Shown-Mills/e/B001JP7TY0/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_15.????For HeritageQuest Online, your citation should always indicate it is the stamped page number to help avoid confusion, e.g., ?page A-141 (stamped)?. Even though this?doesn't' address Family Search's method of indexing hopefully this will help some of you even though it doesn't really solve the problem, at least we now have it better defined. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lacquer at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 11:32:38 2012 From: lacquer at comcast.net (Tracy Tallman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:32:38 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing In-Reply-To: <1354388361.87798.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1397420339.1221191.1351813710817.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1354388361.87798.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a801cdcffa$9f9fb530$dedf1f90$@net> I would try going to familysearch.org and searching there. Not as much detail, but you might find them and then you can go to the actual pages at HeritageQuest. From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:59 AM To: or-roots mail list Subject: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing I have recently been on a quest to find the parents of one of my buttonhole relatives in the 1910 census on Heritage Quest. I got so aggravated with the overall problems there I filed a tech support entry concerning their "Sinslaw" precinct. Right now I am trying to figure out where Hazel Dell precinct listed in Lane Co up to 1910 is, it is in Cascade national Forest Reserve, but Google earth and USGS do not have any such place name. Not having any luck finding precinct maps either except recent ones. Anyway in my communications with HQ tech people I received this bit of information; Regarding the pagination differences between ProQuest?s Ancestry Library Edition and HeritageQuest Online, please refer to the information below. I have no information regarding Family Search: 1. Ancestry created their own census name indexes, including the 1900 Federal Census. They decided to use the Enumeration District and the handwritten page number as their method of identifying each census image. 2. HeritageQuest created their own census name indexes, too. However, they decided to use the stamped page number as their method of identifying each census image. The stamping was done by the National Archives just before they microfilmed the census. (Note: HeritageQuest was acquired by ProQuest in 2001. HeritageQuest now exists only as a product name.) 3. There wasn?t an industry standard when these two companies began indexing the census records. Either method is still considered acceptable, but it does make it frustrating to search for the same image in both products. The ED page method is becoming the norm, and it was used for the 1940 US Census Community Project. ProQuest was a major partner in that project, and for that reason the 1940 Census in HeritageQuest Online will be using the ED page method. 4. Elizabeth Shown Mills is a highly-respected professional genealogist who wrote an excellent book titled, ?Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace (2nd Edition)?. It?s considered by many to be the best guide to citing historical sources such as census records. I recommend that you get a library copy of her book for examples on how to cite your sources taken from online commercial databases. Also, you can visit her Amazon page for more information: http://www.amazon.com/Elizabeth-Shown-Mills/e/B001JP7TY0/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1 5. For HeritageQuest Online, your citation should always indicate it is the stamped page number to help avoid confusion, e.g., ?page A-141 (stamped)?. Even though this doesn't' address Family Search's method of indexing hopefully this will help some of you even though it doesn't really solve the problem, at least we now have it better defined. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 11:33:22 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:33:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Hazel Dell In-Reply-To: <1354388361.87798.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Okay, mystery solved, but why it doesn't show up any where else is a puzzler; Hazel Dell is Oakridge. I am pretty sure I have seen that elsewhere, but no query I could try would turn it up. I did find a 1910 map of Oregon; http://usgwarchives.org/maps/usa/hammonds1910/oregon.jpg That has it and by comparing stream locations I am confident I found the right spot. There are a number of other place names on this map that are not commonly seen any more. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 11:41:30 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:41:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing In-Reply-To: <01a801cdcffa$9f9fb530$dedf1f90$@net> Message-ID: <1354390890.465.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks Tracy, but that is how I DID find them, but I usually prefer to save the actual image rather than the info on Family search. Fortunately the latter includes the basics, age, place of birth relationships so finding the original image was not real important. It just is one of those digressions I am so fond of beating myself to death with that led me down a merry path of confusion. here is the actual family citation from Family Search; family number: 508page number: 27? Household Gender Age Birthplaceself William D Hughes M 39y Kentucky?I really tend to obsess on these digression, my primary person of interest is Wm.s son Virgil who married one of my Dad's cousins. He doesn't show up in the Family Search birth index for Oregon, but some of his siblings do which gave me full names for both of his parents and a cross reference for their ages. It is more the chase than the result that intrigues me, trying to find precinct maps was very frustrating, I know they are out there, but hours of searching led me down many blind alleys and to one lady who had all here ancestors listed in Sinslaw precinct from 1880 to 1930. I emailed her to suggest she might want to change that to Siuslaw.? Thanks for the suggestion though, ?a lot of folks probably still don't realize how much stuff is on family search now. Les C --- On Sat, 12/1/12, Tracy Tallman wrote: From: Tracy Tallman Subject: Re: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing To: "'or-roots mail list'" Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 11:32 AM I would try going to familysearch.org and searching there.? Not as much detail, but you might find them and then you can go to the actual pages at HeritageQuest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lacquer at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 11:47:15 2012 From: lacquer at comcast.net (Tracy Tallman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:47:15 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing In-Reply-To: <1354390890.465.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <01a801cdcffa$9f9fb530$dedf1f90$@net> <1354390890.465.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01c701cdcffc$aa8f2af0$ffad80d0$@net> Thanks Leslie and glad you found them. I do most of my research in Washington and Heritage Quest also has many errors there. Maybe one day.. FamilySearch is really great these days - and easier to access since there is no migrating to the library page, logging on etc. But the books on HeritageQuest are wonderful! Happy searching! Tracy From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:42 AM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing Thanks Tracy, but that is how I DID find them, but I usually prefer to save the actual image rather than the info on Family search. Fortunately the latter includes the basics, age, place of birth relationships so finding the original image was not real important. It just is one of those digressions I am so fond of beating myself to death with that led me down a merry path of confusion. here is the actual family citation from Family Search; family number: 508 page number: 27 Household Gender Age Birthplace self William D Hughes M 39y Kentucky I really tend to obsess on these digression, my primary person of interest is Wm.s son Virgil who married one of my Dad's cousins. He doesn't show up in the Family Search birth index for Oregon, but some of his siblings do which gave me full names for both of his parents and a cross reference for their ages. It is more the chase than the result that intrigues me, trying to find precinct maps was very frustrating, I know they are out there, but hours of searching led me down many blind alleys and to one lady who had all here ancestors listed in Sinslaw precinct from 1880 to 1930. I emailed her to suggest she might want to change that to Siuslaw. Thanks for the suggestion though, a lot of folks probably still don't realize how much stuff is on family search now. Les C --- On Sat, 12/1/12, Tracy Tallman wrote: From: Tracy Tallman Subject: Re: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing To: "'or-roots mail list'" Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 11:32 AM I would try going to familysearch.org and searching there. Not as much detail, but you might find them and then you can go to the actual pages at HeritageQuest. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lacquer at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 11:51:20 2012 From: lacquer at comcast.net (Tracy Tallman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:51:20 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Hazel Dell In-Reply-To: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354388361.87798.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01d101cdcffd$3c3e8c20$b4bba460$@net> Wow! Great map Les. From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:33 AM To: or-roots mail list Subject: [or-roots] Hazel Dell Okay, mystery solved, but why it doesn't show up any where else is a puzzler; Hazel Dell is Oakridge. I am pretty sure I have seen that elsewhere, but no query I could try would turn it up. I did find a 1910 map of Oregon; http://usgwarchives.org/maps/usa/hammonds1910/oregon.jpg That has it and by comparing stream locations I am confident I found the right spot. There are a number of other place names on this map that are not commonly seen any more. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 11:51:52 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:51:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing In-Reply-To: <01c701cdcffc$aa8f2af0$ffad80d0$@net> Message-ID: <1354391512.84013.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Tracy; I assume you know about this; http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ any one doing Oregon research, especially along the Columbia needs to keep that archive in mind as a lot of our people bounced back and forth like and often marriages can be found there for residents of Oregon. Les C --- On Sat, 12/1/12, Tracy Tallman wrote: From: Tracy Tallman Subject: Re: [or-roots] Census information cross referencing To: "'or-roots mail list'" Date: Saturday, December 1, 2012, 11:47 AM Thanks Leslie and glad you found them.? I do most of my research in Washington and Heritage Quest also has many errors there.? Maybe one day?. ?FamilySearch is really great these days - and easier to access since there is no migrating to the library page, logging on etc.? But the books on HeritageQuest are wonderful! ?Happy searching! ?Tracy?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 11:53:06 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:53:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Washington archives In-Reply-To: <1354391512.84013.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354391586.53108.YahooMailClassic@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sorry bout the header previous Tracy; I assume you know about this; http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ any one doing Oregon research, especially along the Columbia needs to keep that archive in mind as a lot of our people bounced back and forth like and often marriages can be found there for residents of Oregon. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lacquer at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 11:57:38 2012 From: lacquer at comcast.net (Tracy Tallman) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:57:38 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Washington archives In-Reply-To: <1354391586.53108.YahooMailClassic@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354391512.84013.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1354391586.53108.YahooMailClassic@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01f901cdcffe$1d950280$58bf0780$@net> I must be one of their most avid users.. It is a great site and getting better all the time, although somewhat impacted by budget cuts.. Thanks. Tracy From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:53 AM To: or-roots mail list Subject: [or-roots] Washington archives Sorry bout the header previous Tracy; I assume you know about this; http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ any one doing Oregon research, especially along the Columbia needs to keep that archive in mind as a lot of our people bounced back and forth like and often marriages can be found there for residents of Oregon. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From royblaine at msn.com Sat Dec 1 12:05:56 2012 From: royblaine at msn.com (Roy Blaine) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 12:05:56 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Hazel Dell In-Reply-To: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ancestry has that lovely "Sinslaw" district too. As a side note I found a cute one on Ancestry's 1940 Census for the Silk Creek portion of Cottage Grove. It listed my maternal G-g'ma, Eloise Wheeler as mother-in-law living with a family I never heard of before. What happened apparently was that the census taker found a few extra people and entered them on a new page by family number from the other Silk Creek sheets. The family number by Loie is the same as Ernest Darnell, whose family she actually lived with and who was her son-in-law. What came out in the indexing was that the person above her on the page is coded as the family she is living with (no relation) and in doing a bit of follow- up this other family makes a fascinating connection between my Oregon mother and South African father, who met on a mission station in Africa in the 50's. seems this family moved to Silk Creek from Sioux City, Iowa, where my father's Dutch Grandfather was the county clerk for many years. Small world after all. Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2012, at 11:33 AM, "Leslie Chapman" wrote: > > Okay, mystery solved, but why it doesn't show up any where else is a puzzler; Hazel Dell is Oakridge. I am pretty sure I have seen that elsewhere, but no query I could try would turn it up. I did find a 1910 map of Oregon; > > http://usgwarchives.org/maps/usa/hammonds1910/oregon.jpg > > That has it and by comparing stream locations I am confident I found the right spot. > > There are a number of other place names on this map that are not commonly seen any more. > > Les C > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. From barbhg1221 at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 19:59:13 2012 From: barbhg1221 at comcast.net (Barbara Herring) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 03:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census In-Reply-To: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census?? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada.? I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated.? I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known.? If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one?daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. In Ancestry.com, he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. In 1881 he?is?in ?Stanstead, Quebec. Barbara Herring -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psinjun at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 20:19:40 2012 From: psinjun at yahoo.com (Penny/Leigh) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:19:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census In-Reply-To: <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1354421980.97887.YahooMailNeo@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1861 Township of Barnston, County of Stanstead W. H. Wheeler ?Laborer ? ?43 ?male Ann Wheeler ? Wife ? ?41 ? ? female William Wheeler ?minor ? 10 ? male Euphros Wheeler minor ? 8 ? female Lucas Wheeler ?minor ? ?8 ? male They are at the bottom of the page so I checked on the next page to make sure I didn't miss anything. ?I can email you the pages if you wish. Penny >________________________________ > From: Barbara Herring >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:59 PM >Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census > > >Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census?? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada.? I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated.? I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known.? If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one?daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. >? >In Ancestry.com, he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. >In 1881 he?is?in?Stanstead, Quebec. >? >Barbara Herring >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psinjun at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 20:27:02 2012 From: psinjun at yahoo.com (Penny/Leigh) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census In-Reply-To: <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1354422422.12298.YahooMailNeo@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1881 Barnston Dist, Quebec Wheeler, W. H. H. ?65 Wheeler, Ann ? ? 60 Wheeler, Lucas H ? ?24 Wheeler, Clifford ? ?21 All born in Quebec and religion listed as Sec. Advent. Penny PSinjun at yahoo.com >________________________________ > From: Barbara Herring >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:59 PM >Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census > > >Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census?? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada.? I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated.? I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known.? If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one?daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. >? >In Ancestry.com, he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. >In 1881 he?is?in?Stanstead, Quebec. >? >Barbara Herring >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From psinjun at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 20:35:24 2012 From: psinjun at yahoo.com (Penny/Leigh) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:35:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census In-Reply-To: <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1354390402.99519.YahooMailClassic@web141204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <577540700.435443.1354420753724.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1354422924.37679.YahooMailNeo@web36208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I missed this - The 1881 census shows Clifford as being a female and both she and Lucas are listed as married. ?I am guessing that even though the name seems to be clearly written it might be Chifford or some other feminized version of what it appears to be. Also, on the 1861 census the sister's name appears to be Euphrosyne >________________________________ > From: Barbara Herring >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:59 PM >Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census > > >Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census?? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada.? I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated.? I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known.? If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one?daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. >? >In Ancestry.com, he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. >In 1881 he?is?in?Stanstead, Quebec. >? >Barbara Herring >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barbhg1221 at comcast.net Sat Dec 1 23:12:55 2012 From: barbhg1221 at comcast.net (Barbara Herring) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census In-Reply-To: <1354421980.97887.YahooMailNeo@web36206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1704430661.437182.1354432375040.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Penny, Thank you so much. Yes, I would like the pages. You can email them to me off list at barbhg1221 at comcast.net. Again, thank you so much. I have been helping one of his descendants, and she will be thrilled with what you have helped me with. Barbara H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny/Leigh" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:19:40 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Canadian Census 1861 Township of Barnston, County of Stanstead W. H. Wheeler Laborer 43 male Ann Wheeler Wife 41 female William Wheeler minor 10 male Euphros Wheeler minor 8 female Lucas Wheeler minor 8 male They are at the bottom of the page so I checked on the next page to make sure I didn't miss anything. I can email you the pages if you wish. Penny From: Barbara Herring To: or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada. I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated. I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known. If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. In Ancestry.com, he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. In 1881 he is in Stanstead, Quebec. Barbara Herring _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can email them to me off list at barbhg1221 at comcast.net. Again, thank you so much. I have been helping one of his descendants, and she will be thrilled with what you have helped me with. > > Barbara H. > > From: "Penny/Leigh" > To: "or-roots mail list" > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:19:40 PM > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Canadian Census > > 1861 Township of Barnston, County of Stanstead > W. H. Wheeler Laborer 43 male > Ann Wheeler Wife 41 female > William Wheeler minor 10 male > Euphros Wheeler minor 8 female > Lucas Wheeler minor 8 male > > They are at the bottom of the page so I checked on the next page to make sure I didn't miss anything. I can email you the pages if you wish. > > > Penny > > From: Barbara Herring > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:59 PM > Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census > > Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada. I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated. I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known. If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. > > In Ancestry.com, he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. > In 1881 he is in Stanstead, Quebec. > > Barbara Herring > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. From barbhg1221 at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 16:01:27 2012 From: barbhg1221 at comcast.net (Barbara Herring) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <281397320.446204.1354492887460.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Roy, I don't know of any connection, but, like you say, it looks like a lot of coincidence for me.? I am trying to put together what I have in my FTM program.? When I get that done, I can send you a genealogy report to see if we can be of help to each other.? Also, I will be posting the 1861 and 1881 census page on my document website in the next day or two.? Feel free to take just take a look or join the group. This is a link to the Rootsweb "tree" that I have.? It won't have much on the Wheelers until I update it. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=wlp .? Once you get there, there is a link to?my MyFamily.com document site under the title.? Barbara Herring BarbHg1221 at comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Blaine" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 3:03:56 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Canadian Census Barbara, I may have asked you this, but how do these Wheelers connect to my Samuel Franklin Wheeler and wife Alice Catherine Dwelley Wheeler? They came to the Eugene area from New York in the 1880's. ?They logged west of Eugene, then west of Cresswell and eventually the Silk Creek/Royal area. ?One thing you said below is that these Wheelers were Second Advent followers in Canada; my Wheelers were involved in the movement from early on. ?I figure that is too much coincidence. Roy Blaine Sent from my iPad On Dec 1, 2012, at 11:14 PM, "Barbara Herring" < barbhg1221 at comcast.net > wrote: Penny, Thank you so much.? Yes, I would like the pages.? You can email them to me off list at barbhg1221 at comcast.net .? Again, thank you so much.? I have been helping one of his descendants, and she will be thrilled with what you have helped me with. Barbara H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny/Leigh" < psinjun at yahoo.com > To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:19:40 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Canadian Census 1861 Township of Barnston, County of Stanstead W. H. Wheeler ?Laborer ? ?43 ?male Ann Wheeler ? Wife ? ?41 ? ? female William Wheeler ?minor ? 10 ? male Euphros Wheeler minor ? 8 ? female Lucas Wheeler ?minor ? ?8 ? male They are at the bottom of the page so I checked on the next page to make sure I didn't miss anything. ?I can email you the pages if you wish. Penny
From: Barbara Herring < barbhg1221 at comcast.net > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] Canadian Census Does anyone have access to the 1861 and 1881 Canadian Census?? I am looking for a Lucas Wheeler born 1856 in Canada.? I have the US but not the World Ancestry.com subscription so any help would be appreciated.? I am hoping that the 1861 will show him with his parents and siblings and that the 1881 will show him with a wife whose name is currently not known.? If it is the correct person, he is in Eugene by the 1900 census with a second wife, one?daughter by the first wife and twin boys by the second wife. ? In Ancestry.com , he shows up in 1861 in Stanstead, Canada East. In 1881 he?is?in?Stanstead, Quebec. ? Barbara Herring
-------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 20:12:43 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:12:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections In-Reply-To: <281397320.446204.1354492887460.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It takes a lot more than some coincidences to make Wheelers fit together; I have about five?separate?lines of them in my family ?file. Two of them go back to first settlements on the Eastern seaboard and people have been forcing them together erroneously for 300 years. But no one has ever proven a connection. I do have some Wheelers in Oregon and I suspect I may have known some of Roy's Wheelers as a kid if they were Grangers. Or maybe that is another line entirely.#yiv643779261 p {margin:0;}#yiv643779261 p {margin:0;} One of the local folks is a buttonhole relative of mine through my Great Uncle Morrell Melvin ma a Fullerton and her ancestors were Smileys who are connected some how or other. While we were sharing notes on that connection I was whining about the Thomas Wheeler confusion in my direct ancestry and it turned out she and I are 14th cousins give or take from the Wheelers. Hers was harder to prove since it came through some burned down courthouses south of the Mason Dixon lne. I've been hammering at one of the lines that folks helped me on several years ago for a distant cousin. I haven't heard from him for a LONG time and he was in poor health last time we communicated. I suspect that is probably a bad sign, but I may never know. I was hoping when he went to his reward his daughter would drop me a line. Family search is so awesome, now between that and HQ I am never gonna run out of free stuff. Sometimes FS gets frustrating though, if you don't ask the question just right you get "no results" change the order of the same darn question and get a hundred hits. Hope ya'll have a happy holiday season. Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sun Dec 2 21:29:37 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:29:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections Message-ID: <72a.167b681c.3ded92c1@aol.com> In a message dated 12/2/2012 8:12:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, opera_70 at yahoo.com writes: Family search is so awesome, now between that and HQ I am never gonna run out of free stuff. Sometimes FS gets frustrating though, if you don't ask the question just right you get "no results" change the order of the same darn question and get a hundred hits. Hope ya'll have a happy holiday season. I don't use Family Search as much as I should now that it is getting better all the time. One source - but a subscription site - that I've been using a lot for community research is GenealogyBank.com. They have old historic newspapers indexed way back. But speaking of asking the right questions -- that is a site that has the most weird and touchy search engine that I've ever seen. Thank you for the greeting. I think I mentioned that my son from Kansas and his family are coming the week before Christmas. We don't have a 'holiday season' at our house - we have Christmas and New Year's. So, Merry Christmas to you. Talk to you in the New Year. Linda -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sun Dec 2 21:30:39 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:30:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections Message-ID: <74b.608fe79.3ded92fe@aol.com> Oops, please excuse my lapse. I thought I was responding just to Les Chapman. My bad. Linda In a message dated 12/2/2012 9:29:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, LinLouVan at aol.com writes: In a message dated 12/2/2012 8:12:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, opera_70 at yahoo.com writes: Family search is so awesome, now between that and HQ I am never gonna run out of free stuff. Sometimes FS gets frustrating though, if you don't ask the question just right you get "no results" change the order of the same darn question and get a hundred hits. Hope ya'll have a happy holiday season. I don't use Family Search as much as I should now that it is getting better all the time. One source - but a subscription site - that I've been using a lot for community research is GenealogyBank.com. They have old historic newspapers indexed way back. But speaking of asking the right questions -- that is a site that has the most weird and touchy search engine that I've ever seen. Thank you for the greeting. I think I mentioned that my son from Kansas and his family are coming the week before Christmas. We don't have a 'holiday season' at our house - we have Christmas and New Year's. So, Merry Christmas to you. Talk to you in the New Year. Linda _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From royblaine at msn.com Sun Dec 2 21:37:52 2012 From: royblaine at msn.com (Roy Blaine) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 21:37:52 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections In-Reply-To: <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Isn't it the truth, Les. ;-). I am sure my Wheelers had to do with the Grange; I remember my grandmother Dee (Edith Wheeler) Darnell talking about a debate her father, Walter Nahum Wheeler had with someone over appropriate entertainment for a Grange meeting. With so many Wheelers in Lane County, I am focusing right now on Dee's brother and his WW1 experience. His name was Hiram Wall (or Walter) Wheeler and we called him Uncle Pete for reasons nobody seems to remember. After the war he trailer monkeyed for my granddad on his log trucks. My memory of him is his reactions to loud noise - Dee said it was due to cannon fire as he was an artilleryman. I will get his service record from the Archive here in January. Take care all; this listserv really is an amazing font of shared learning. Roy Blaine Sent from my iPad On Dec 2, 2012, at 8:12 PM, "Leslie Chapman" wrote: > > It takes a lot more than some coincidences to make Wheelers fit together; I have about five separate lines of them in my family file. Two of them go back to first settlements on the Eastern seaboard and people have been forcing them together erroneously for 300 years. But no one has ever proven a connection. I do have some Wheelers in Oregon and I suspect I may have known some of Roy's Wheelers as a kid if they were Grangers. Or maybe that is another line entirely. > > One of the local folks is a buttonhole relative of mine through my Great Uncle Morrell Melvin ma a Fullerton and her ancestors were Smileys who are connected some how or other. While we were sharing notes on that connection I was whining about the Thomas Wheeler confusion in my direct ancestry and it turned out she and I are 14th cousins give or take from the Wheelers. Hers was harder to prove since it came through some burned down courthouses south of the Mason Dixon lne. > > I've been hammering at one of the lines that folks helped me on several years ago for a distant cousin. I haven't heard from him for a LONG time and he was in poor health last time we communicated. I suspect that is probably a bad sign, but I may never know. I was hoping when he went to his reward his daughter would drop me a line. > > Family search is so awesome, now between that and HQ I am never gonna run out of free stuff. Sometimes FS gets frustrating though, if you don't ask the question just right you get "no results" change the order of the same darn question and get a hundred hits. > > Hope ya'll have a happy holiday season. > > Les > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 08:01:23 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:01:23 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections In-Reply-To: <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <281397320.446204.1354492887460.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think Wheeler is one of those common names like Smith. They are everywhere and I too have several (not connected that I know of) Wheeler's in my tree. Mostly back in New England very early. I don't even try to sort them out. Dale in rainy California On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > It takes a lot more than some coincidences to make Wheelers fit > together; I have about five separate lines of them in my family file. Two > of them go back to first settlements on the Eastern seaboard and people > have been forcing them together erroneously for 300 years. But no one has > ever proven a connection. I do have some Wheelers in Oregon and I suspect I > may have known some of Roy's Wheelers as a kid if they were Grangers. Or > maybe that is another line entirely. > > One of the local folks is a buttonhole relative of mine through my Great > Uncle Morrell Melvin ma a Fullerton and her ancestors were Smileys who are > connected some how or other. While we were sharing notes on that connection > I was whining about the Thomas Wheeler confusion in my direct ancestry and > it turned out she and I are 14th cousins give or take from the Wheelers. > Hers was harder to prove since it came through some burned down courthouses > south of the Mason Dixon lne. > > I've been hammering at one of the lines that folks helped me on several > years ago for a distant cousin. I haven't heard from him for a LONG time > and he was in poor health last time we communicated. I suspect that is > probably a bad sign, but I may never know. I was hoping when he went to his > reward his daughter would drop me a line. > > Family search is so awesome, now between that and HQ I am never gonna run > out of free stuff. Sometimes FS gets frustrating though, if you don't ask > the question just right you get "no results" change the order of the same > darn question and get a hundred hits. > > Hope ya'll have a happy holiday season. > > Les > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Mon Dec 3 10:03:57 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:03:57 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections In-Reply-To: <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <281397320.446204.1354492887460.JavaMail.root@sz0197a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1354507963.30512.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014601cdd180$90b480a0$b21d81e0$@net> Les "Buttonhole relative?" I just Googled this and found you and a few others using the expression, but no definition. What's up? Pat In Tucson From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:13 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: [or-roots] Wheeler connections It takes a lot more than some coincidences to make Wheelers fit together; I have about five separate lines of them in my family file. Two of them go back to first settlements on the Eastern seaboard and people have been forcing them together erroneously for 300 years. But no one has ever proven a connection. I do have some Wheelers in Oregon and I suspect I may have known some of Roy's Wheelers as a kid if they were Grangers. Or maybe that is another line entirely. One of the local folks is a buttonhole relative of mine through my Great Uncle Morrell Melvin ma a Fullerton and her ancestors were Smileys who are connected some how or other. While we were sharing notes on that connection I was whining about the Thomas Wheeler confusion in my direct ancestry and it turned out she and I are 14th cousins give or take from the Wheelers. Hers was harder to prove since it came through some burned down courthouses south of the Mason Dixon lne. I've been hammering at one of the lines that folks helped me on several years ago for a distant cousin. I haven't heard from him for a LONG time and he was in poor health last time we communicated. I suspect that is probably a bad sign, but I may never know. I was hoping when he went to his reward his daughter would drop me a line. Family search is so awesome, now between that and HQ I am never gonna run out of free stuff. Sometimes FS gets frustrating though, if you don't ask the question just right you get "no results" change the order of the same darn question and get a hundred hits. Hope ya'll have a happy holiday season. Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 17:33:58 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 01:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Nancy Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is bur ied they were not common at that time but it could be a chance, ?also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. Glen Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. ? Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org ? _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancydean at columbia-center.org Mon Dec 3 18:24:38 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:24:38 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@NancyLeeAdamPC> Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR. 97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that could be his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common at that time but it could be a chance, also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. Glen Jones ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 19:53:25 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:53:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@NancyLeeAdamPC> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@NancyLeeAdamPC> Message-ID: <1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nancy, what is his name?? Did he have a Donation Land Claim (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land).? I have a reporduction of a map from 1878.? The roads aren't named, but I might be able to find his name.? There is a major road that I think is Market Street.? Big Lots old location was on Market and Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those days--several miles from downtown Salem.? I'll check it out when I get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, but I'll see what I can do! ? Linda Wiley, Sublimity ? ________________________________ From: Nancy Lee Adams To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will ? Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR.?97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that?could be?his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy ----- Original Message ----- >From: Glen Jones >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM >Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > >Nancy >Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, >IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common >at that time but it could be a chance,?also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. >? >Glen Jones > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: "Nancy Lee Adams" >To: "or-roots mail list" >Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM >Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > >I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. >? >Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams >St. Helens, OR. >nancydean at columbia-center.org? >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > >________________________________ > _____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 20:34:42 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 20:34:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@NancyLeeAdamPC> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@NancyLeeAdamPC> Message-ID: <1354595682.82063.YahooMailNeo@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Nancy, in the book Imentioned in my previous message, I found it had a map of Salem with the streets.? The lots threw me--where Google placed it was really far in the country--no development other than large acreages.? In North Salem, which was JUST north of downtown Salem today, block #24, Lots 7 and 8, are on Front Street, the first street off the Willamette River.? The cross street is Union on the north and probably Marion on the south--the westbound bridge over the Willamette is a continuation of Marion Street.? Chances are this area was heavily flooded over the years--so some history work on Google for Willamette flooding in Salem.? This is no longer a residential area--Front Street is rather run-down--lumber yard, cannery, etc.? I have friends at the Marion County Artchives--just attended a program given by them at our genealogical Society meeting last month--with a name I'll see what I can do!? they are located not far from that area. ? Linda ? ________________________________ From: Nancy Lee Adams To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will ? Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR.?97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that?could be?his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy ----- Original Message ----- >From: Glen Jones >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM >Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > >Nancy >Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, >IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common >at that time but it could be a chance,?also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. >? >Glen Jones > > > > > > >________________________________ > From: "Nancy Lee Adams" >To: "or-roots mail list" >Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM >Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > >I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. >? >Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams >St. Helens, OR. >nancydean at columbia-center.org? >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > >________________________________ > _____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From lechevrier at q.com Mon Dec 3 21:08:09 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 21:08:09 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <1354595682.82063.YahooMailNeo@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@NancyLeeAdamPC> <1354595682.82063.YahooMailNeo@web112619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50BD8539.9060406@q.com> It is unfortunate that the records of the Pioneer Cemetery in Salem are so spotty -- there are any number of unrecorded early burials there -- I believe my grand aunt's in-laws are buried there -- the husband is recorded, no mention of his wife in the official records, but the space next to him appears to be occupied -- no headstones. The cemetery association has some evidence of the burial, though -- Burr, Rosetta (11 Nov 1864 - 21 Feb 1933), [FA 12] Burr, Samuel Henry (12 Aug 1859 - 28 May 1934), [FA 12] http://www.salempioneercemetery.org/records.php Bill Strickland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancydean at columbia-center.org Mon Dec 3 21:59:54 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 21:59:54 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC> <1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC> His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC. & came in 1852. Thanks! Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy, what is his name? Did he have a Donation Land Claim (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land). I have a reporduction of a map from 1878. The roads aren't named, but I might be able to find his name. There is a major road that I think is Market Street. Big Lots old location was on Market and Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those days--several miles from downtown Salem. I'll check it out when I get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, but I'll see what I can do! Linda Wiley, Sublimity From: Nancy Lee Adams To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will ? Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR. 97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that could be his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common at that time but it could be a chance, also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. Glen Jones From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information *Case#* 0644 *Name* McCubbins, James *Date* 1877 *Record Type* Estate *County* Marion *Source* County Sue On 12/3/2012 9:59 PM, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: > His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC. & came in 1852. > Thanks! Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Linda Wiley > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Monday, December 03, 2012 7:53 PM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > Nancy, what is his name? Did he have a Donation Land Claim > (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land). I have a > reporduction of a map from 1878. The roads aren't named, but I > might be able to find his name. There is a major road that I > think is Market Street. Big Lots old location was on Market and > Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those > days--several miles from downtown Salem. I'll check it out when I > get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, > but I'll see what I can do! > Linda Wiley, Sublimity > /**/ > > *From:* Nancy Lee Adams > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > ? > Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 > # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this > address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, > OR. 97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that could be his > land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big > Lots', lol Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Glen Jones > *To:* or-roots mail list > > *Sent:* Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > Nancy > Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps > possibley could show the Property, > IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice > that might show where he is buried they were not common > at that time but it could be a chance, also check, Find A > Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. > Glen Jones > > > > *From: *"Nancy Lee Adams" > > *To: *"or-roots mail list" > *Sent: *Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM > *Subject: *[or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it > for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering > if someone could help me on a map where his property was in > 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I > still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. > Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams > St. Helens, OR. > nancydean at columbia-center.org > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not > responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to > list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not > responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to > list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible > for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 22:31:02 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:31:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <50BD9357.3070309@ccountry.net> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC> <1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC> <50BD9357.3070309@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <1354602662.46744.YahooMailNeo@web112615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> He is hard to trace!? What was his wife's name?? I can check this estate info at the State Archives.? I work for free--they get paid good money!? Sue has already given me the info needed.? Do you want me to check on it--I'll be in Salem tomorrow (Tuesday) and Thursday.? I've checked the indexes for all the pioneer cemeteries in Salem--nothing, but that doesn't mean he isn't there.? Most of these cemeteries have been vandalized and the older graves are often gone.? Do you know what church he went to--denomination? ? Linda NOTE: If you forward this e-mail, PLEASE highlight and delete the forwarding history. It is a courtesy to all who may not wish to have their e-mail addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the e-mail address history helps prevent spammers from mining addresses and spreading viruses. Please use BCC. ________________________________ From: Sue Steward To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Have you looked at his estate record to see if there is any information in it about his burial? Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 0644 Name McCubbins, James Date 1877 Record Type Estate County Marion Source County Sue On 12/3/2012 9:59 PM, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC.? & came in 1852. Thanks! Nancy >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda Wiley >>To: or-roots mail list >>Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:53 PM >>Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>Nancy, what is his name?? Did he have a Donation Land Claim (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land).? I have a reporduction of a map from 1878.? The roads aren't named, but I might be able to find his name.? There is a major road that I think is Market Street.? Big Lots old location was on Market and Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those days--several miles from downtown Salem.? I'll check it out when I get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, but I'll see what I can do! >>? >>Linda Wiley, Sublimity >> >>? >>From: Nancy Lee Adams mailto:nancydean at columbia-center.org >>To: or-roots mail list mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >>Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM >>Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >> >>? >>Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR.?97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that?could be?his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Glen Jones >>>To: or-roots mail list >>>Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM >>>Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>>Nancy >>>Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, >>>IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common >>>at that time but it could be a chance,?also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. >>> >>>Glen Jones From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>>I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. >>> >>>Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams >>>St. Helens, OR. >>>nancydean at columbia-center.org? _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. >>>_____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy, in the book Imentioned in my previous message, I found it had a map of Salem with the streets. The lots threw me--where Google placed it was really far in the country--no development other than large acreages. In North Salem, which was JUST north of downtown Salem today, block #24, Lots 7 and 8, are on Front Street, the first street off the Willamette River. The cross street is Union on the north and probably Marion on the south--the westbound bridge over the Willamette is a continuation of Marion Street. Chances are this area was heavily flooded over the years--so some history work on Google for Willamette flooding in Salem. This is no longer a residential area--Front Street is rather run-down--lumber yard, cannery, etc. I have friends at the Marion County Artchives--just attended a program given by them at our genealogical Society meeting last month--with a name I'll see what I can do! they are located not far from that area. Linda From: Nancy Lee Adams To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will ? Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR. 97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that could be his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common at that time but it could be a chance, also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. Glen Jones From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancydean at columbia-center.org Mon Dec 3 22:37:04 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:37:04 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <50BD9357.3070309@ccountry.net> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC><1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC> <50BD9357.3070309@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <0E84A05E8FC34EB288984F40B2E35BE9@NancyLeeAdamPC> Yes, I have his estate records, nothing that says where he is buried. Only that James & Barbary McCubbins were living on this land, when Will was drawn up.. Lots #7 & #8 on block 24, North Salem, OR. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Steward To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Have you looked at his estate record to see if there is any information in it about his burial? Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 0644 Name McCubbins, James Date 1877 Record Type Estate County Marion Source County Sue On 12/3/2012 9:59 PM, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC. & came in 1852. Thanks! Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy, what is his name? Did he have a Donation Land Claim (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land). I have a reporduction of a map from 1878. The roads aren't named, but I might be able to find his name. There is a major road that I think is Market Street. Big Lots old location was on Market and Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those days--several miles from downtown Salem. I'll check it out when I get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, but I'll see what I can do! Linda Wiley, Sublimity From: Nancy Lee Adams To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will ? Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR. 97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that could be his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common at that time but it could be a chance, also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. Glen Jones From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 23:07:43 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:07:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <0E84A05E8FC34EB288984F40B2E35BE9@NancyLeeAdamPC> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC><1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC> <50BD9357.3070309@ccountry.net> <0E84A05E8FC34EB288984F40B2E35BE9@NancyLeeAdamPC> Message-ID: <1354604863.99924.YahooMailNeo@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> OK--that is where Barbery is living in 1880, but those years don't have a street address.? Do you know what happened to her?? In 1870 they were in Lebanon, Linn County.? I'll do some research at the Salem Library and Marion County this week--should have time as I have to be there both days.?? Linda NOTE: If you forward this e-mail, PLEASE highlight and delete the forwarding history. It is a courtesy to all who may not wish to have their e-mail addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the e-mail address history helps prevent spammers from mining addresses and spreading viruses. Please use BCC. ________________________________ From: Nancy Lee Adams To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Yes, I have his estate records, nothing that says where he is buried. Only that James & Barbary McCubbins were living on this land, when Will was drawn up.. Lots #7 & #8 on block 24, North Salem, OR. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- >From: Sue Steward >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:08 PM >Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will > > >Have you looked at his estate record to see if there is any information in it about his burial? > >Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information > >Case# 0644 >Name McCubbins, James >Date 1877 >Record Type Estate >County Marion >Source County > > SueOn 12/3/2012 9:59 PM, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: >His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC.? & came in 1852. Thanks! Nancy >>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Linda Wiley >>>To: or-roots mail list >>>Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:53 PM >>>Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>>Nancy, what is his name?? Did he have a Donation Land Claim (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land).? I have a reporduction of a map from 1878.? The roads aren't named, but I might be able to find his name.? There is a major road that I think is Market Street.? Big Lots old location was on Market and Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those days--several miles from downtown Salem.? I'll check it out when I get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, but I'll see what I can do! >>>? >>>Linda Wiley, Sublimity >>> >>>? >>>From: Nancy Lee Adams mailto:nancydean at columbia-center.org >>>To: or-roots mail list mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >>>Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 6:24 PM >>>Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>> >>>? >>>Hi Glen, I've check all those places. You know I typed in Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24 North Salem, OR. on Google & came up with this address of the 'Big Lots store' in 4040 NE Market St, Salem, OR.?97301 on those lots maybe, I wonder if that?could be?his land.. Now Im wondering what the nearest cemetery would be to 'Big Lots', lol Nancy >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Glen Jones >>>>To: or-roots mail list >>>>Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:33 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>>>Nancy >>>>Salem Archives my have the land records or Sanborn Fire Maps possibley could show the Property, >>>>IS there a death record or certificate or newspaper notice that might show where he is buried they were not common >>>>at that time but it could be a chance,?also check, Find A Grave and the Oregon Gravestone Project. >>>> >>>>Glen Jones From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.usSent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PMSubject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will >>>>I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. >>>> >>>>Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams >>>>St. Helens, OR. >>>>nancydean at columbia-center.org? _____________________________________________________or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-rootsHosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content.Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email.Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. >>>>_____________________________________________________or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-rootsHosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From nancydean at columbia-center.org Tue Dec 4 09:16:03 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:16:03 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <1354602662.46744.YahooMailNeo@web112615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC><1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC><50BD 9357.3070309@ccountry.net> <1354602662.46744.YahooMailNeo@web112615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <145E1D9501FF43CDBE5A51228EC69A81@NancyLeeAdamPC> Linda, Yes he is hard to trace. Yes, Please check in on it, I would be so grateful.. I would really also like to know his father's name (parents). His 1st wife was China unknown & 2nd wife at te time of his death Barbary McCubbins who the property was left to in the estate. James was born about 1800 to 1813 in VA. James & 2of his sons also had ODLCs, Zachariah, Thomas in Marion Co., OR. I dont know the church he went to, sorry. Thank you for helping, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will He is hard to trace! What was his wife's name? I can check this estate info at the State Archives. I work for free--they get paid good money! Sue has already given me the info needed. Do you want me to check on it--I'll be in Salem tomorrow (Tuesday) and Thursday. I've checked the indexes for all the pioneer cemeteries in Salem--nothing, but that doesn't mean he isn't there. Most of these cemeteries have been vandalized and the older graves are often gone. Do you know what church he went to--denomination? Linda NOTE: If you forward this e-mail, PLEASE highlight and delete the forwarding history. It is a courtesy to all who may not wish to have their e-mail addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the e-mail address history helps prevent spammers from mining addresses and spreading viruses. Please use BCC. Case# 0644 Name McCubbins, James Date 1877 Record Type Estate County Marion Source County Sue On 12/3/2012 9:59 PM, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC. & came in 1852. Thanks! Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will Nancy, what is his name? Did he have a Donation Land Claim (pioneers previous to 1859 statehood could claim land). I have a reporduction of a map from 1878. The roads aren't named, but I might be able to find his name. There is a major road that I think is Market Street. Big Lots old location was on Market and Lancaster Drive--that's a ways out in the country in those days--several miles from downtown Salem. I'll check it out when I get his name--the plots arent't numbered in the way you listed, but I'll see what I can do! Linda Wiley, Sublimity -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancydean at columbia-center.org Tue Dec 4 09:20:42 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 09:20:42 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <1354604863.99924.YahooMailNeo@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC><1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC><50BD 9357.3070309@ccountry.net><0E84A05E8FC34EB288984F40B2E35BE9@NancyLeeAdamPC> <1354604863.99924.YahooMailNeo@web112607.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <909F7F5A7EA648449977DA808A2570DB@NancyLeeAdamPC> Barbary remarried a man with the last name of Lewis (1st husband was a Lewis also) Her maiden name was Allen & she buried in the Lewis Cemetery. Thanks, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will OK--that is where Barbery is living in 1880, but those years don't have a street address. Do you know what happened to her? In 1870 they were in Lebanon, Linn County. I'll do some research at the Salem Library and Marion County this week--should have time as I have to be there both days. Linda NOTE: If you forward this e-mail, PLEASE highlight and delete the forwarding history. It is a courtesy to all who may not wish to have their e-mail addresses sent all over the world! Erasing the e-mail address history helps prevent spammers from mining addresses and spreading viruses. Please use BCC. Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 0644 Name McCubbins, James Date 1877 Record Type Estate County Marion Source County SueOn 12/3/2012 9:59 PM, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: His name was James McCubbins. He did have a DLC. & came in 1852. Thanks! Nancy ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Tue Dec 4 10:01:15 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:01:15 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: <0E84A05E8FC34EB288984F40B2E35BE9@NancyLeeAdamPC> References: <565706.846171.1354584838471.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><2178AD7FCEBC464B864B58F500C5A178@N ancyLeeAdamPC><1354593205.1376.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2AF1B38164984E68A959FEF593EA8321@NancyLeeAdamPC> <50BD9357.3070309@ccountry.net> <0E84A05E8FC34EB288984F40B2E35BE9@NancyLeeAdamPC> Message-ID: <022c01cdd249$5a4c5550$0ee4fff0$@net> In the 1878 Illustrated Historical Atlas Map of Marion and Linn Counties [Edgar Williams & Co.], page 10, the map section ?3? shows Salem, surrounded by North Salem, East Salem, and South Salem. Mill Creek actually cuts off ?North Salem? from Salem, and above that is another block of streets. This is T6S to T7S and R2W to R3W. The ?urban? sections are 14, 15, and 23, clearly parceled into ?blocks? and ?lots? surrounded on three sides by farmsteads. There were 180 ?heads of household? in North Salem in 1880, I checked but could find no particular logic that would give a finer detail. I?m sending you a copy of the map off list so you can see what I?m talking about. Unfortunately, without knowing the Range and Township, this is difficult, which is your problem, of course. A more detailed contemporary assessor?s map of the time frame would help. I would comment, however, that it seems unlikely that anyone was buried on one of these lots. The area, by the time it was parceled into lots, would not have been an acceptable place to bury people. In fact, from much before that, even for people living on farms, there do not seem to be a lot of burials on private property. I could find no cemeteries/burial grounds marked on this map, where other cemeteries in Marion County are marked. I think the way to go here is to check the land transaction records in Marion County, in Salem. They have very good grantor/grantee books, which would allow you to ?come forward? to the present from the time of the estate sale. However, don?t forget. Not everyone owned where they lived. The widow and daughter could have been living on someone?s property. The most obvious choice would be Sidney Illidge, who is the only one on the 1880 census page who looks like a landowner. So, even if the land hadn?t yet been sold, they may not have been living on it. Ah, the vagaries of censuses! Unfortunately, using the Illidge spelling, there is no record in the GLO records ? and, it?s being so slow, I can?t use the county/township/range parameters to get a list. Look for the map, you?ll find it interesting. Pat Dunford Tucson From: "Nancy Lee Adams" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 5:14:59 PM Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 10:19:39 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:19:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative In-Reply-To: <1354560114.51924.YahooMailNeo@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354645179.65614.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I use it in the context of "related by marriage" I remembered it as coming from some fancy French word for button hole (boutonniere; I had to look it up) but on further review; http://www.ehow.com/about_6636416_etiquette-wedding-buttonholes.html It is now just a plain old "button hole" note the space, that makes all the difference in the world. When I am referring to say a 2x buttonhole relative for example I mean someone like Uncle Herschel's in-laws who I grew up thinking of as my Aunts and Uncles even though they are married to the sibling of a man who married my Aunt. I was easily as fond of some of them as I was of my own Aunt and Uncles. So when I refer to being multiple buttonholes away from Kin, ?which I sometimes wander into as I get obsessed with certain names or places, ?I am referring to people way off of my main line.? I think "shirttail relative" is more inclusive, at least in my understanding of the terms, as I use button hole only in the context of "not Kin" but still "related" while "shirt tail" seems to be more broadly used not only for them, but distant cousins and "honorary" relatives.? I have been confused by that term as some of the people I grew up thinking of as Kin turned out to be just honorary relatives, though I was vindicated in my misunderstanding of the Abbot family as they are at least button hole rather than shirt tail kin. It is interesting that I seem to be one of a very limited circle of people that show up in searching that term. I have been asked a couple of times to explain other obscure terms by people who found references in their family histories they didn't understand and somehow ended up at one of my "button hole" relative posts. Les --- On Mon, 12/3/12, Robyn Greenlund wrote: From: Robyn Greenlund Subject: Re: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 10:41 AM I'm guessing it's a variant of a shirt-tale relative, which is "usually said to refer to somebody who is a relative by marriage or is only distantly related, such as a fourth cousin, or is a family friend with honorary status as a relative. It?s fairly common in the USA and has been since the 1950s or thereabouts." ?Robyn rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com Interested in Coos County?History? See what's online at genealogytrails.com,?coquillevalley.org, or?orgenweb.org -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Tue Dec 4 10:44:40 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:44:40 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative In-Reply-To: <1354645179.65614.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354560114.51924.YahooMailNeo@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1354645179.65614.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <025201cdd24f$6b304fb0$4190ef10$@net> Les So, anyone who was eligible for a boutonniere at a wedding was a buttonhole relative, ?cause that?s where you put the boutonniere . I don?t recall that we had a term for that when I was young, but later my mother referred to ?calabash cousins,? a term she picked up in Hawaii, from my brother?s in-laws. A calabash is a large bowl that becomes a communal meal pot, and anyone who is a ?relative? is welcome at the calabash. I see that Wikipedia has found this as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabash Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:20 AM To: Robyn Greenlund; or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative I use it in the context of "related by marriage" I remembered it as coming from some fancy French word for button hole (boutonniere; I had to look it up) but on further review; http://www.ehow.com/about_6636416_etiquette-wedding-buttonholes.html It is now just a plain old "button hole" note the space, that makes all the difference in the world. When I am referring to say a 2x buttonhole relative for example I mean someone like Uncle Herschel's in-laws who I grew up thinking of as my Aunts and Uncles even though they are married to the sibling of a man who married my Aunt. I was easily as fond of some of them as I was of my own Aunt and Uncles. So when I refer to being multiple buttonholes away from Kin, which I sometimes wander into as I get obsessed with certain names or places, I am referring to people way off of my main line. I think "shirttail relative" is more inclusive, at least in my understanding of the terms, as I use button hole only in the context of "not Kin" but still "related" while "shirt tail" seems to be more broadly used not only for them, but distant cousins and "honorary" relatives. I have been confused by that term as some of the people I grew up thinking of as Kin turned out to be just honorary relatives, though I was vindicated in my misunderstanding of the Abbot family as they are at least button hole rather than shirt tail kin. It is interesting that I seem to be one of a very limited circle of people that show up in searching that term. I have been asked a couple of times to explain other obscure terms by people who found references in their family histories they didn't understand and somehow ended up at one of my "button hole" relative posts. Les --- On Mon, 12/3/12, Robyn Greenlund wrote: From: Robyn Greenlund Subject: Re: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 10:41 AM I'm guessing it's a variant of a shirt-tale relative, which is "usually said to refer to somebody who is a relative by marriage or is only distantly related, such as a fourth cousin, or is a family friend with honorary status as a relative. It?s fairly common in the USA and has been since the 1950s or thereabouts." Robyn rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com Interested in Coos County History? See what's online at genealogytrails.com , coquillevalley.org , or orgenweb.org Linkedin Facebook Yahoo Answers -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 11:43:41 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:43:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1354650221.63520.YahooMailClassic@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Nancy; Okay, I see Linda beat me to it. What I make of that info is your ancestor owned those lots in Block 24 of North Salem Subdivision. If I am reading it right unless there is a cemetery on those lots he won't be buried there as it is in the middle of town.? Here is a link to research Salem area properties, if all you have is plat name and block and lot it is a real bear to work with, I am not impressed. In Douglas or Lane Co I could have found this information in about five minutes, I've been at it for half an hour now and I think I am getting close. http://gis.co.marion.or.us/isgi/disclaimer.aspx Okay finally; the current owner is FRONT STREET PROPERTIES LLC PO BOX 309 SALEM, OR 97308 1105 FRONT ST NE SALEM, OR 97301 MILL ADD SALEM LOTS 1-6 & FR LOTS 7-8 BLK 1 ALSO NORTH SALEM ADD BLK 24 & LOTS 3-6 & FR LOT 7 BLK 25 ALSO VACATED STREETS & ALLEYS I will send you a TL map of the location off list. Hmm, previous owner?TRUITT BROS INC is the business shown on ?Google Street view, grandpa would be under a warehouse if he is buried there. Les C --- On Mon, 12/3/12, Nancy Lee Adams wrote: From: Nancy Lee Adams Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 5:14 PM I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land. ? Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams St. Helens, OR. nancydean at columbia-center.org? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 4 11:56:12 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:56:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] It's a relative thing In-Reply-To: <025201cdd24f$6b304fb0$4190ef10$@net> Message-ID: <1354650972.78703.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> A short digression, the subject line was my Anthropology prof's joke about incest which having married a cousin once removed is sometimes a sensitive subject in my house. Back to "relationship" terminology, the one that stumped me was "woodpile kin."? I had to approach that on very carefully as the only explanation I could come up with involved an old joke that is now very politically incorrect. Maybe we could substitute some reference to Carol Burnett's mailman to make it politically correct. anyway my surmise jibed with what the person asking me thought was implied. Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From konajo37 at hotmail.com Tue Dec 4 12:20:45 2012 From: konajo37 at hotmail.com (Joanne Broadhurst) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:20:45 -1000 Subject: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative In-Reply-To: <025201cdd24f$6b304fb0$4190ef10$@net> References: <1354560114.51924.YahooMailNeo@web112416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, <1354645179.65614.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <025201cdd24f$6b304fb0$4190ef10$@net> Message-ID: This is nothing to do with locating genealogy facts but there is a volunteer group in Hawaii called the Calabash Cousins who are an auxiliary to the Daughters of Hawaii. The Daughters are the caretakers of the 2 remaining royal palaces in Honolulu and Kona. And the explanation of the calabash is correct. When we spend our winters in Kona, I have joined and participate in the Calabash Cousins group where I have learned so much about the Hawaiian culture and historic sites. Joanne Broadhurst From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:44:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative Les So, anyone who was eligible for a boutonniere at a wedding was a buttonhole relative, ?cause that?s where you put the boutonniere . I don?t recall that we had a term for that when I was young, but later my mother referred to ?calabash cousins,? a term she picked up in Hawaii, from my brother?s in-laws. A calabash is a large bowl that becomes a communal meal pot, and anyone who is a ?relative? is welcome at the calabash. I see that Wikipedia has found this as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabash Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Leslie Chapman Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 11:20 AM To: Robyn Greenlund; or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative I use it in the context of "related by marriage" I remembered it as coming from some fancy French word for button hole (boutonniere; I had to look it up) but on further review; http://www.ehow.com/about_6636416_etiquette-wedding-buttonholes.html It is now just a plain old "button hole" note the space, that makes all the difference in the world. When I am referring to say a 2x buttonhole relative for example I mean someone like Uncle Herschel's in-laws who I grew up thinking of as my Aunts and Uncles even though they are married to the sibling of a man who married my Aunt. I was easily as fond of some of them as I was of my own Aunt and Uncles. So when I refer to being multiple buttonholes away from Kin, which I sometimes wander into as I get obsessed with certain names or places, I am referring to people way off of my main line. I think "shirttail relative" is more inclusive, at least in my understanding of the terms, as I use button hole only in the context of "not Kin" but still "related" while "shirt tail" seems to be more broadly used not only for them, but distant cousins and "honorary" relatives. I have been confused by that term as some of the people I grew up thinking of as Kin turned out to be just honorary relatives, though I was vindicated in my misunderstanding of the Abbot family as they are at least button hole rather than shirt tail kin. It is interesting that I seem to be one of a very limited circle of people that show up in searching that term. I have been asked a couple of times to explain other obscure terms by people who found references in their family histories they didn't understand and somehow ended up at one of my "button hole" relative posts. Les --- On Mon, 12/3/12, Robyn Greenlund wrote: From: Robyn Greenlund Subject: Re: [or-roots] Buttonhole relative To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 10:41 AMI'm guessing it's a variant of a shirt-tale relative, which is "usually said to refer to somebody who is a relative by marriage or is only distantly related, such as a fourth cousin, or is a family friend with honorary status as a relative. It?s fairly common in the USA and has been since the 1950s or thereabouts." Robyn rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com Interested in Coos County History? See what's online at genealogytrails.com, coquillevalley.org, or orgenweb.org -----Inline Attachment Follows-----_____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Harguess" Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:01:34 AM Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Find A Grave Contributor: GenBug this is interesting, sad and also inspiring. ? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47003739 ? _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Les --- On Wed, 12/12/12, Dale Harguess wrote: From: Dale Harguess Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Find A Grave Contributor: GenBug To: Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 8:01 AM this is interesting, sad and also inspiring. ? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47003739 ? -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 18:47:24 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:47:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Find A Grave Contributor: GenBug In-Reply-To: <1355338238.84988.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1355338238.84988.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355366844.57120.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Les, I found myself thinking the same thing, but then realized "our" Toledo didn't have a state ospital!? I went to the website link and found more about this work.? Wonderful job they are doing to index the Civil War vets buried there.?? Linda ? ________________________________ From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Fwd: Find A Grave Contributor: GenBug It was also slightly confusing since I paged through it for quite a while wondering to myself why I didn't recall a state Hospital in Toledo before realizing it was in Ohio. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer today, I am. Les--- On Wed, 12/12/12, Dale Harguess wrote: >From: Dale Harguess >Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Find A Grave Contributor: GenBug >To: >Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 8:01 AM > > >this is interesting, sad and also inspiring. > > > >http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=47003739 > >-----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > >_____________________________________________________or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-rootsHosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content.Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email.Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-rootsHosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content.Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email.Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 05:55:46 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:55:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. Message-ID: <48b1c.111b88b2.3dfb3862@aol.com> Hello OR listers. Josephine GROSS African American female born Alabama about 1871-1873. I found her name in her sister?s funeral notice. Funeral Notice, Oregonian, Friday, 1 Dec 1944, p. 15, col. 4 DONALD - Nov 29, Nellie, aged 65 years of 1415 NE 1st ave; beloved wife of James S., sister of Josephine Gross. Funeral services Monday, Dec. 4, at 2:30 P. M. at the Chapel of Miller & Tracey. Interment Rose City cemetery. BR 2691 Found her in 1920 and 1940 censuses but haven?t found her in 1910 or 1930 censuses Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 49 [b.ca. 1871], F, B, AL, OR, Multnomah, Portland; 108-PCT, 1920 Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 67 [b.ca. 1873], Female, --, --, Alabama, Oregon, Multnomah, Portland City Election Precinct 104, Portland, Tract 3, 1940 Thanks in advance. 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On 12/13/2012 6:55 AM, MEMcDTT at aol.com wrote: > > Hello OR listers. > > Josephine GROSS African American female born Alabama about 1871-1873. > > I found her name in her sister?s funeral notice. > Funeral Notice, /Oregonian,/ Friday, 1 Dec 1944, p. 15, col. 4 > > DONALD - Nov 29, Nellie, aged 65 years of 1415 NE 1st ave; beloved > wife of James S., *sister of Josephine Gross*. Funeral services > Monday, Dec. 4, at 2:30 P. M. at the Chapel of Miller & Tracey. > Interment Rose City cemetery. BR 2691 > > Found her in 1920 and 1940 censuses but haven?t found her in 1910 or > 1930 censuses > > Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, > Location, Year (source HQ) > > GROSS, Josephine, 49 [b.ca. 1871], F, B, AL, OR, Multnomah, Portland; > 108-PCT, *1920* > > Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, > Location, Year (source HQ) > > GROSS, Josephine, 67 [b.ca. 1873], Female, --, --, Alabama, Oregon, > Multnomah, Portland City Election Precinct 104, Portland, Tract 3, *1940* > > Thanks in advance. > > Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2634/5954 - Release Date: 12/12/12 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beavert53 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 06:20:45 2012 From: beavert53 at aol.com (beavert53 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:20:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. Message-ID: <17fb9.28298f3b.3dfb3e3d@aol.com> There is a death notice in the Oregonian for Josephine Gross wife of John W. Gross, July 31, 1951 & August 1, 1951. In a message dated 12/13/2012 5:55:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, MEMcDTT at aol.com writes: Hello OR listers. Josephine GROSS African American female born Alabama about 1871-1873. I found her name in her sister?s funeral notice. Funeral Notice, Oregonian, Friday, 1 Dec 1944, p. 15, col. 4 DONALD - Nov 29, Nellie, aged 65 years of 1415 NE 1st ave; beloved wife of James S., sister of Josephine Gross. Funeral services Monday, Dec. 4, at 2:30 P. M. at the Chapel of Miller & Tracey. Interment Rose City cemetery. BR 2691 Found her in 1920 and 1940 censuses but haven?t found her in 1910 or 1930 censuses Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 49 [b.ca. 1871], F, B, AL, OR, Multnomah, Portland; 108-PCT, 1920 Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 67 [b.ca. 1873], Female, --, --, Alabama, Oregon, Multnomah, Portland City Election Precinct 104, Portland, Tract 3, 1940 Thanks in advance. Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Thu Dec 13 06:29:50 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:29:50 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. In-Reply-To: <48b1c.111b88b2.3dfb3862@aol.com> References: <48b1c.111b88b2.3dfb3862@aol.com> Message-ID: <50C9E65E.10704@ccountry.net> Even though 1910 and 1930 census show her birthplace as Georgia looks like it could be her. Might be worth getting a copy of death certificate and checking it out. 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Josephine Gross Age in 1910: 39 Birth Year: abt 1871 [1871] Birthplace: Georgia Home in 1910: Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, Oregon Race: Black Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: John Gross Father's Birthplace: Georgia Mother's Birthplace: Georgia Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Gross 36 Josephine Gross 39 George R?SE 23 Source Citation: Year: /1910/; Census Place: /Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, Oregon/; Roll: /T624_1285/; Page: /2B/; Enumeration District: /0128/; ; FHL microfilm: /1375298/. 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Josephine Gross [Josephine Grass] Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1872 Birthplace: Georgia Race: Negro (Black) [Black] Home in 1930: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon View Map Marital Status: Divorced Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: Georgia Mother's Birthplace: Georgia Household Members: Name Age Josephine Gross 58 Source Citation: Year: /1930/; Census Place: /Portland/, /Multnomah/, /Oregon/; Roll: /1950/; Page: /9B/; Enumeration District: /135/; Image: /664.0/; FHL microfilm: /2341684/. Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310 So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? Washington, Marriage Records, 1865-2004 Name: James S Donald Spouse: Nellie Ramsey Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1926 Marriage Place: Clark Reference Number: swclkmc40194 On 12/13/2012 5:55 AM, MEMcDTT at aol.com wrote: > > Hello OR listers. > > Josephine GROSS African American female born Alabama about 1871-1873. > > I found her name in her sister's funeral notice. > Funeral Notice, /Oregonian,/ Friday, 1 Dec 1944, p. 15, col. 4 > > DONALD - Nov 29, Nellie, aged 65 years of 1415 NE 1st ave; beloved > wife of James S., *sister of Josephine Gross*. Funeral services > Monday, Dec. 4, at 2:30 P. M. at the Chapel of Miller & Tracey. > Interment Rose City cemetery. BR 2691 > > Found her in 1920 and 1940 censuses but haven't found her in 1910 or > 1930 censuses > > Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, > Location, Year (source HQ) > > GROSS, Josephine, 49 [b.ca. 1871], F, B, AL, OR, Multnomah, Portland; > 108-PCT, *1920* > > Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, > Location, Year (source HQ) > > GROSS, Josephine, 67 [b.ca. 1873], Female, --, --, Alabama, Oregon, > Multnomah, Portland City Election Precinct 104, Portland, Tract 3, *1940* > > Thanks in advance. > > Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From beavert53 at aol.com Thu Dec 13 06:52:52 2012 From: beavert53 at aol.com (beavert53 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:52:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. Message-ID: <19041.20562341.3dfb45c4@aol.com> In the 1940 census she is listed as being born in Alabama, and is divorced. The 1941 city directory lists Josephine & John as both living on the same street but at different house addresses. Wonder if it was a duplex??? In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Even though 1910 and 1930 census show her birthplace as Georgia looks like it could be her. Might be worth getting a copy of death certificate and checking it out. 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Josephine Gross Age in 1910: 39 Birth Year: abt 1871 [1871] Birthplace: Georgia Home in 1910: Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, Oregon Race: Black Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: John Gross Father's Birthplace: Georgia Mother's Birthplace: Georgia Neighbors: _View others on page_ (mip://09f66268/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1910USCenIndex&sin=C0000006&siv=4449843_00194) Household Members: Name Age _John Gross_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1910USCenIndex&indiv=try&h=23362858) 36 _Josephine Gross_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1910USCenIndex&indiv=try&h=16412 9111) 39 _George R?SE_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1910USCenIndex&indiv=try&h=23362876) 23 Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, Oregon; Roll: T624_1285; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0128; ; FHL microfilm: 1375298. 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Josephine Gross [Josephine Grass] Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1872 Birthplace: Georgia Race: Negro (Black) [Black] Home in 1930: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon _View Map_ (javascript:showMap('Portland, Multnomah, Oregon')) Marital Status: Divorced Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: Georgia Mother's Birthplace: Georgia Household Members: Name Age _Josephine Gross_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1930usfedcen&indiv=try&h=109543657) 58 Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon; Roll: 1950; Page: 9B; Enumeration District: 135; Image: 664.0; FHL microfilm: 2341684. Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310 So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? Washington, Marriage Records, 1865-2004 Name: James S Donald Spouse: Nellie Ramsey Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1926 Marriage Place: Clark Reference Number: swclkmc40194 On 12/13/2012 5:55 AM, _MEMcDTT at aol.com_ (mailto:MEMcDTT at aol.com) wrote: Hello OR listers. Josephine GROSS African American female born Alabama about 1871-1873. I found her name in her sister?s funeral notice. Funeral Notice, Oregonian, Friday, 1 Dec 1944, p. 15, col. 4 DONALD - Nov 29, Nellie, aged 65 years of 1415 NE 1st ave; beloved wife of James S., sister of Josephine Gross. Funeral services Monday, Dec. 4, at 2:30 P. M. at the Chapel of Miller & Tracey. Interment Rose City cemetery. BR 2691 Found her in 1920 and 1940 censuses but haven?t found her in 1910 or 1930 censuses Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 49 [b.ca. 1871], F, B, AL, OR, Multnomah, Portland; 108-PCT, 1920 Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 67 [b.ca. 1873], Female, --, --, Alabama, Oregon, Multnomah, Portland City Election Precinct 104, Portland, Tract 3, 1940 Thanks in advance. Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 07:52:10 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. In-Reply-To: <19041.20562341.3dfb45c4@aol.com> Message-ID: <1267296373.1234142.1355413930953.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike I thought I found scanned and sent these to you, or is this some that I was unable to find, unfortnately I cannot get to the State archives until after xmas. I think I still have some of your info in my home office. Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: beavert53 at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:52:52 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info????????and/or obit. In the 1940 census she is listed as being born in Alabama, and is divorced. The 1941 city directory lists?Josephine & John as both living on?the same street?but at different? house addresses. Wonder if it was a duplex??? ? In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Even though 1910 and 1930 census show her birthplace as Georgia looks like it could be her.? Might? be worth getting a copy of death certificate and checking it out. 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Josephine Gross Age in 1910: 39 Birth Year: abt 1871 [1871] Birthplace: Georgia Home in 1910: Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, Oregon Race: Black Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: John Gross Father's Birthplace: Georgia Mother's Birthplace: Georgia Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Gross 36 Josephine Gross 39 George R?SE 23 Source Citation: Year: 1910 ; Census Place: Portland Ward 2, Multnomah, Oregon ; Roll: T624_1285 ; Page: 2B ; Enumeration District: 0128 ; ; FHL microfilm: 1375298 . 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Josephine Gross [ Josephine Grass ] Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1872 Birthplace: Georgia Race: Negro (Black) [Black] Home in 1930: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon View Map Marital Status: Divorced Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: Georgia Mother's Birthplace: Georgia Household Members: Name Age Josephine Gross 58 Source Citation: Year: 1930 ; Census Place: Portland , Multnomah , Oregon ; Roll: 1950 ; Page: 9B ; Enumeration District: 135 ; Image: 664.0 ; FHL microfilm: 2341684 . Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310 So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? Washington, Marriage Records, 1865-2004 Name: James S Donald Spouse: Nellie Ramsey Marriage Date: 30 Dec 1926 Marriage Place: Clark Reference Number: swclkmc40194 On 12/13/2012 5:55 AM, MEMcDTT at aol.com wrote:
Hello OR listers. Josephine GROSS African American female born Alabama about 1871-1873. I found her name in her sister?s funeral notice. Funeral Notice, Oregonian, Friday, 1 Dec 1944, p. 15, col. 4 DONALD - Nov 29, Nellie, aged 65 years of 1415 NE 1st ave; beloved wife of James S., sister of Josephine Gross . Funeral services Monday, Dec. 4, at 2:30 P. M. at the Chapel of Miller & Tracey. Interment Rose City cemetery. BR 2691 Found her in 1920 and 1940 censuses but haven?t found her in 1910 or 1930 censuses Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 49 [b.ca. 1871], F, B, AL, OR, Multnomah, Portland; 108-PCT, 1920 Surname, Given Name, Age, Sex, Race, Birthplace, State, County, Location, Year (source HQ) GROSS, Josephine, 67 [b.ca. 1873], Female, --, --, Alabama, Oregon, Multnomah, Portland City Election Precinct 104, Portland, Tract 3, 1940 Thanks in advance. Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
_____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 08:11:23 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:11:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. Message-ID: Good morning Glen, This is further research on the same family. Josephine was the sister of Nellie (Mathews) (Ramsey) Donald. This is a fresh attempt to connect her family. Another Bird-Ramsey Reunion coming up in July. Thanks for checking in, Mike In a message dated 12/13/2012 7:54:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, glenkc7mbm at comcast.net writes: Mike I thought I found scanned and sent these to you, or is this some that I was unable to find, unfortnately I cannot get to the State archives until after xmas. I think I still have some of your info in my home office. Glen Jones Portland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Thu Dec 13 13:47:41 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. Message-ID: <10792.3cbbd682.3dfba6fd@aol.com> In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? Thank you ssteward, Josephine's maiden name was Matthews. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From l.horine at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 13:55:28 2012 From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. In-Reply-To: <10792.3cbbd682.3dfba6fd@aol.com> Message-ID: <1603505243.1233602.1355435728549.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike, I can go to Archives in an hour or so when I leave my office and retrieve the certificate if that would help your quest... 'lyn Horine Salem ----- Original Message ----- From: MEMcDTT at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Cc: ssteward at ccountry.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:47:41 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info????????and/or obit. In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310 So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? Thank you ssteward, Josephine's maiden name was Matthews. Mike _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 15:15:15 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:15:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. In-Reply-To: <1267296373.1234142.1355413930953.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1355440515.51826.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Glen, are you talking about the obit and death cert or the census images? I can get the census images in a few minutes if that is needed. Les C --- On Thu, 12/13/12, Glen Jones wrote: From: Glen Jones #yiv63478323 p {margin:0;}Mike I thought I found scanned and sent these to you, or is this some that I was unable to find, unfortnately I cannot get to the State archives until after xmas. I think I still have some of your info in my home office. Glen Jones Portland ? From: beavert53 at aol.com In the 1940 census she is listed as being born in Alabama, and is divorced. The 1941 city directory lists?Josephine & John as both living on?the same street?but at different? house addresses. Wonder if it was a duplex??? ? In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 16:41:34 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. In-Reply-To: <1355440515.51826.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <916278559.1257886.1355445694280.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> No Les, I am talking about the death certificates, I looked up some before for mike. Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Chapman" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:15:15 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info????????and/or obit. Glen, are you talking about the obit and death cert or the census images? I can get the census images in a few minutes if that is needed. Les C --- On Thu, 12/13/12, Glen Jones wrote: From: Glen Jones Mike I thought I found scanned and sent these to you, or is this some that I was unable to find, unfortnately I cannot get to the State archives until after xmas. I think I still have some of your info in my home office. Glen Jones Portland ? From: beavert53 at aol.com In the 1940 census she is listed as being born in Alabama, and is divorced. The 1941 city directory lists?Josephine & John as both living on?the same street?but at different? house addresses. Wonder if it was a duplex??? ? In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Sat Dec 15 08:38:46 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:38:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need help finding death info and/or obit. Message-ID: <12b.b1ec9a5.3dfe0196@aol.com> Good morning OR-listers, Thank you all for the help. Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 13:23:26 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:23:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Surname Poser In-Reply-To: <916278559.1257886.1355445694280.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1355693006.21263.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> First of all my apologies to Mike who I sent this directly to a minute ago cause I didn't check the addressee when I clicked reply on the first item in my Or-roots archive; I have a question, does Knudrud make sense as an alternative for Christianson? ?I have the marriage of my cousin's in-laws in Washington 15 Oct 1917 Herman B. Olson ma Marie Hagen ?wh lists her parents as Johan Hagen and Berte Christianson and in 1941 Family Search WA death index I find the listing below. As I am pretty sure Herman is listed in the same index still in Camas in 1946 and they are in the same place in 1930 and 1940 Census I have quite a bit of faith these are Howards parents, but I don't get Christianson from Knudrud, worse luck that doesn't even seem to be a name, the closest I get is Knutrud which apparently doesn't translate to anything as near as I can tell. The best clue to the name I came up with from Google was a web site for Knutrud farm just outside Lillehammer. Les C name:?? ?????????? ????????????Marie Olsondeath date:??????? ??????????? 01 Feb 1941death place:????? ??????????? Camas, Clark, Washingtongender: ?????????? ??????????? Femaleage at death:???? ??????????? 51 years 1 month 15 daysest. birth year:?? ??????????? 1890???marital status:??? ??????????? Marriedspouse's name:? ??????????? Hermanfather's name:??? ??????????? John Holshagenmother's name:??????????? Bertha Knudrudfilm number:????? ??????????? 2023823digital gs number:??????????? 4222445image number:? 1094volume/page/cert. no:?? 16 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 16 13:45:52 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:45:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Surname Poser In-Reply-To: <1355693006.21263.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355694352.44609.YahooMailClassic@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Okay I think I am on the right track, but you gotta love those Norwegians; I went back to family search and tried the father's name and got this result; name:?????????????? ??????????? ??????????? Kristian Holshagen gender: ?????????? ??????????? ??????????? Male baptism/christening date:????????? 28 Oct 1894 baptism/christening place:??????? Lillehammer, Oppland, Norway birth date:???????? ??????????? ??????????? 23 Sep 1894??? father's name:??? ??????????? ??????????? Johan Evensen Holshagen??????? mother's name:? ??????????? Berte Kristiansdatter? still no Knudrud, but this looked to me like I might be on the right track, but why isn't Marie listed in the same search? So I tweaked the search two or three times and got; ?name:?? ?????????? ??????????? ??????????? Marie Johansdatter gender: ?????????? ??????????? ??????????? Female baptism/christening date:??????????? 12 Jan 1890 baptism/christening place:??????????? Lillehammer, Oppland, Norway birth date:???????? ??????????? ??????????? 17 Dec 1889??? father's name:??? ??????????? ??????????? Johan Evensen??????????? mother's name:? ??????????? Berte Kristiansdatter?? which just happens to match up with the calculated date of birth from the WA index for her death. Lucky for me the Norwegians don't have those parish records online yet, so I don't have to struggle through trying to find this stuff in the original hand?writing.? Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Mon Dec 17 06:29:40 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:29:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need more help Message-ID: <58a58.20d55e77.3e008652@aol.com> OR Listers, I just found (in the 1910 census) that Josephine was married before her marriage to John W. Gross. I don't know what her name might have been listed as in the marriage record to John, about 1905. Haven't found the 1st marriage as Josephine Matthews. Haven't found her in the 1900 census. Any ideas? Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us Mon Dec 17 10:18:33 2012 From: layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us (SAWYER, Layne G) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:18:33 +0000 Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need more help In-Reply-To: <58a58.20d55e77.3e008652@aol.com> References: <58a58.20d55e77.3e008652@aol.com> Message-ID: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE04651BC6EA7@D5DAG1A.D5.USA.NET> Mike, I looked at the death certificate here at the Archives. (I think in past emails somebody was going to get a copy of certificate for you, if that hasn't happened yet you could request it from the Reference staff as well) Anyway, the death certificate lists her father as Aleck Smith and mother as Frances Mathews. It also indicates that she had resided in Portland since 1906. Her birthplace is given as Atlanta Georgia, March 4, 1871. Place of burial listed as Lincoln Memorial Park. Hope this helps move the research along. Regards, Layne Sawyer List Mom Manager of Reference Services Oregon State Archives From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of MEMcDTT at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 6:30 AM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need more help OR Listers, I just found (in the 1910 census) that Josephine was married before her marriage to John W. Gross. I don't know what her name might have been listed as in the marriage record to John, about 1905. Haven't found the 1st marriage as Josephine Matthews. Haven't found her in the 1900 census. Any ideas? Mike McDermott, San Jose, CA In a message dated 12/13/2012 6:30:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Oregon, Death Index, 1898-2008 Name: Josephine Gross Death Date: 28 Jul 1951 Death Place: Portland Spouse: John Certificate: 8310 So is Josephine's maiden name Ramsey? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 11:35:04 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:35:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need more help In-Reply-To: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE04651BC6EA7@D5DAG1A.D5.USA.NET> Message-ID: <1355772904.43265.YahooMailClassic@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Mike; Do you have them in the 1880 census? ?It occurs to me she might still be living with her parents in 1900, or near them. ?I have made a stab at 1880 and had pretty much no luck, it seems more likely from circumstantial evidence they were from Alabama since none of the search parameters I have tried have turned up much of anybody in Georgia. Unfortunately this is as close as I have been able to come ?so far; 1880 ?> ?ALABAMA ?> ?LEE ?> ?AUBURNSeries: T9 ?Roll: 19 ?Page: 156 Surname GivenName?Age?Sex?Race?Birthplace?State?County?Location YearSMITH?JOSEPHINE ? ? ?7 ? ?F B AL ? ??AL ? ? ?LEE ?AUBURN 1880 She would be best fit except for being 2 years too young and mother named Polly which unless she was Mary Frances or some such (isn't Polly a nickname for Mary?) ?and Nellie being Mary Ann age 3 ?(minor little quibbles, though I have seen worse matches that turned out to be the right people) What I have is Eleck Smith age 37 ?b AL, Polly age 33 ?b. AL, Josephine age 7 b AL, Mary Ann age 3 b AL. I am going to look a little more but I am also a little confused by the time line; B 1871 ?GA or AL to parents Aleck & Frances Smith, ma ? before 1906? ?Ma John Gross, 1906. Nellie's marriage cert to Donald is available from WA archives if you don't have it and want it. Les C? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Tue Dec 18 06:08:13 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:08:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need more help Message-ID: <290a.2527bbff.3e01d2cd@aol.com> Thank you Layne, Mike In a message dated 12/17/2012 10:17:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us writes: It also indicates that she had resided in Portland since 1906. Her birthplace is given as Atlanta Georgia, March 4, 1871. Place of burial listed as Lincoln Memorial Park. Hope this helps move the research along. Regards, Layne Sawyer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MEMcDTT at aol.com Tue Dec 18 06:22:08 2012 From: MEMcDTT at aol.com (MEMcDTT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Josephine Gross - Need more help Message-ID: <2f79.1941d07a.3e01d610@aol.com> Thank you Les, I haven't found her in 1880 or 1900 yet! I do have a copy of the Donald-Ramsey marriage from Clark Co., Washington. I found her younger sister, Nellie, in the 1900-1940 censuses. I have various names for their parents: Nellie Ramsey, "Certificate of Marriage" to James Squire Donald, 30 Dec 1926, Vancouver, Clark Co., WA. Father: Harry Mathews. Mother: Francis Pitts. Nellies death cert lists Powell Pitts as her father and Frances Mathews as her mother. Nellie died 11/29/1944. Josephine's death cert lists Aleck Smith as her father and Frances Mathews as her mother. Thank you again, Mike In a message dated 12/17/2012 11:35:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, opera_70 at yahoo.com writes: Mike; Do you have them in the 1880 census? It occurs to me she might still be living with her parents in 1900, or near them. I have made a stab at 1880 and had pretty much no luck, it seems more likely from circumstantial evidence they were from Alabama since none of the search parameters I have tried have turned up much of anybody in Georgia. Unfortunately this is as close as I have been able to come so far; 1880 > ALABAMA > LEE > AUBURN Series: T9 Roll: 19 Page: 156 Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year SMITH JOSEPHINE 7 F B AL AL LEE AUBURN 1880 She would be best fit except for being 2 years too young and mother named Polly which unless she was Mary Frances or some such (isn't Polly a nickname for Mary?) and Nellie being Mary Ann age 3 (minor little quibbles, though I have seen worse matches that turned out to be the right people) What I have is Eleck Smith age 37 b AL, Polly age 33 b. AL, Josephine age 7 b AL, Mary Ann age 3 b AL. I am going to look a little more but I am also a little confused by the time line; B 1871 GA or AL to parents Aleck & Frances Smith, ma ? before 1906? Ma John Gross, 1906. Nellie's marriage cert to Donald is available from WA archives if you don't have it and want it. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us Fri Dec 21 11:41:16 2012 From: layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us (SAWYER, Layne G) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:41:16 +0000 Subject: [or-roots] Happy Holidays to the list Message-ID: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE04651BC8957@D5DAG1A.D5.USA.NET> OR-Rooters, I wanted to let you know that 604 new records have been added to the Oregon Historical Records Index at http://genealogy.state.or.us/ The new records are Clatsop County Divorces from 1897-1920. There is a significant gap in the records from 1902-1917 . Also want to remind you all that as of January 2nd you can request from the Reference Staff (reference.archives at state.or.us) or come visit in person and access the 1962 Death Certificates, Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns. Hope you all have a very Happy Holiday with lots of family research successes in the coming year. Regards, Layne Sawyer List Mom Oregon State Archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ross1948 at bendcable.com Thu Dec 27 10:30:43 2012 From: ross1948 at bendcable.com (ross1948 at bendcable.com) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:30:43 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Graduation announcements Message-ID: <1842B71D42F145E1A8A96EEC6E294BE6@MSIWindmsi> Is Robyn Greenlund still collecting graduation announcements? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: