From layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us Tue Jan 3 10:56:43 2012 From: layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us (SAWYER, Layne G) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 18:56:43 +0000 Subject: [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records Message-ID: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> OR-Rooters, Happy New Year to all. To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public research. These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date and county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just $5.00 (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at; reference.archives at state.or.us If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by the county clerk. The returns include occupations of the parties, number of times previously married and information on parents. Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012. Layne Sawyer "List Mom" Oregon State Archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whizinc at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 22:42:49 2012 From: whizinc at comcast.net (Ronda Howard) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 22:42:49 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question In-Reply-To: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> References: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> Message-ID: <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> Hi Layne and everyone, Are other years available for those marriage returns? I don't seem to be able to find my father-in-law's first marriage. John Brewer Howard married Doris Unknown on unknown date. I can find two divorce records for them. I don't know why there are two records with two dates. I do know that John Brewer Howard married Nancy Anderson in Chicago, IL on Dec 15, 1947. Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks! Ronda Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 35208 Name Howard, John B vs Howard, Doris G Date 11/15/1943 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 38363 Name Howard, Doris G vs Howard, John B Date 07/16/1947 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of SAWYER, Layne G Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:57 AM To: or-roots mail list (or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) Subject: [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records OR-Rooters, Happy New Year to all. To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public research. These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date and county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just $5.00 (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at; reference.archives at state.or.us If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by the county clerk. The returns include occupations of the parties, number of times previously married and information on parents. Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012. Layne Sawyer "List Mom" Oregon State Archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com Fri Jan 6 07:56:55 2012 From: DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com (Denise Sproed) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:56:55 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question In-Reply-To: <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> References: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> Message-ID: <001501cccc8b$d0e34ee0$72a9eca0$@onlinenw.com> Two thoughts on the missing marriage events. 1. Have you looked in Clark County, Washington? A lot of Oregonians would go over the state line to be married with less blood work and paperwork delay. 2. Often the date and location of marriage are listed in the divorce records. And on two dates for divorces. Either they didn't complete the first divorce or perhaps they remarried and then divorced. I have two of those in my family branches. Denise Sproed A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists The web page I made for my parents is at: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Ronda Howard Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:43 PM To: 'or-roots mail list' Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question Hi Layne and everyone, Are other years available for those marriage returns? I don't seem to be able to find my father-in-law's first marriage. John Brewer Howard married Doris Unknown on unknown date. I can find two divorce records for them. I don't know why there are two records with two dates. I do know that John Brewer Howard married Nancy Anderson in Chicago, IL on Dec 15, 1947. Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks! Ronda Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 35208 Name Howard, John B vs Howard, Doris G Date 11/15/1943 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 38363 Name Howard, Doris G vs Howard, John B Date 07/16/1947 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of SAWYER, Layne G Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:57 AM To: or-roots mail list (or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) Subject: [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records OR-Rooters, Happy New Year to all. To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public research. These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date and county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just $5.00 (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at; reference.archives at state.or.us If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by the county clerk. The returns include occupations of the parties, number of times previously married and information on parents. Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012. Layne Sawyer "List Mom" Oregon State Archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Fri Jan 6 08:02:57 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question In-Reply-To: <001501cccc8b$d0e34ee0$72a9eca0$@onlinenw.com> Message-ID: <1229888657.589371.1325865777114.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Not Only Clark but also Skamania and Klicitat, but we have also found many Washingtonians went over to Wasco and Hood River to get married. I am having problems find the marriage of my Parents, but Oregon Between 1929 and 1945 if I remember the dates correctly did not keep a state wide marriage index so you have to search each county. Glen Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Sproed" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 7:56:55 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question Two thoughts on the missing marriage events.? 1.? Have you looked in Clark County, Washington?? A lot of Oregonians would go over the state line to be married with less blood work and paperwork delay.? 2.? Often the date and location of marriage are listed in the divorce records. ? And on two dates for divorces. Either they didn?t complete the first divorce or perhaps they remarried and then divorced. ?I have two of those in my family branches. ? Denise Sproed A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists ? The web page I made for my parents is at:? http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ ? My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site ? User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ ? From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Ronda Howard Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:43 PM To: 'or-roots mail list' Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question ? Hi Layne and everyone, Are other years available for those marriage returns? ? I don?t seem to be able to find my father-in-law?s first marriage.? John Brewer Howard married Doris Unknown on unknown date.? ?I can find two divorce records for them.? I don?t know why there are two records with two dates.? I do know that John Brewer Howard married Nancy Anderson in Chicago, IL on Dec 15, 1947.? Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks! Ronda ? Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 35208 Name Howard, John B vs Howard, Doris G Date 11/15/1943 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County ? Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 38363 Name Howard, Doris G vs Howard, John B Date 07/16/1947 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County ? ? ? From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of SAWYER, Layne G Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:57 AM To: or-roots mail list ( or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ) Subject: [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records ? OR-Rooters, ? Happy New Year to all.? ? To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public research. ? These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date and county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just $5.00 (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at; ? reference.archives at state.or.us ? If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by the county clerk.? The returns include occupations of the parties, number of times previously married and information on parents. ? Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012. ? Layne Sawyer "List Mom" Oregon State Archives _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us Fri Jan 6 08:26:22 2012 From: layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us (SAWYER, Layne G) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 16:26:22 +0000 Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question In-Reply-To: <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> References: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> Message-ID: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590D3CC@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> Ronda, The State Archives has the statewide marriage returns from 1906-1910 and from 1946-1961. The Genealogical forum recently completed a project which fills in the gap in the statewide marriage index. The Archives does have these indexes available for research as do many other libraries around the state. You could contact the reference staff here at reference.archives at state.or.us to request a search. Given that you do not have a precise date there would be a charge for research labor. I agree with Denise that the divorce record may in fact contain the date and place of their marriage so if you have not already gotten those records it might be worth requesting copies. Again Denise's surmise about the divorce not being finalized from the earlier date might be the reason for the second later filing. Regards, Layne Sawyer "list mom" Oregon State Archives From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Ronda Howard Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:43 PM To: 'or-roots mail list' Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question Hi Layne and everyone, Are other years available for those marriage returns? I don't seem to be able to find my father-in-law's first marriage. John Brewer Howard married Doris Unknown on unknown date. I can find two divorce records for them. I don't know why there are two records with two dates. I do know that John Brewer Howard married Nancy Anderson in Chicago, IL on Dec 15, 1947. Any ideas would be welcome. Thanks! Ronda Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 35208 Name Howard, John B vs Howard, Doris G Date 11/15/1943 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information Case# 38363 Name Howard, Doris G vs Howard, John B Date 07/16/1947 Record Type Divorce County Clackamas Source County From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of SAWYER, Layne G Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:57 AM To: or-roots mail list (or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) Subject: [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records OR-Rooters, Happy New Year to all. To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public research. These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date and county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just $5.00 (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at; reference.archives at state.or.us If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by the county clerk. The returns include occupations of the parties, number of times previously married and information on parents. Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012. Layne Sawyer "List Mom" Oregon State Archives -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Fri Jan 6 08:24:00 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:24:00 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question In-Reply-To: <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> References: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> Message-ID: <4F072020.2070000@ccountry.net> I'd probably order the case files, can find lots of info in a divorce file. Sue On 1/5/2012 10:42 PM, Ronda Howard wrote: > > Hi Layne and everyone, > > Are other years available for those marriage returns? > > I don't seem to be able to find my father-in-law's first marriage. > John Brewer Howard married Doris Unknown on unknown date. I can find > two divorce records for them. I don't know why there are two records > with two dates. I do know that John Brewer Howard married Nancy > Anderson in Chicago, IL on Dec 15, 1947. Any ideas would be welcome. > > Thanks! > > Ronda > > *Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information* > > > *Case#* > > > > 35208 > > *Name* > > > > Howard, John B vs Howard, Doris G > > *Date* > > > > 11/15/1943 > > *Record Type* > > > > Divorce > > *County* > > > > Clackamas > > *Source* > > > > County > > *Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information* > > > *Case#* > > > > 38363 > > *Name* > > > > Howard, Doris G vs Howard, John B > > *Date* > > > > 07/16/1947 > > *Record Type* > > > > Divorce > > *County* > > > > Clackamas > > *Source* > > > > County > > *From:*or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] *On Behalf Of > *SAWYER, Layne G > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:57 AM > *To:* or-roots mail list (or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) > *Subject:* [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records > > OR-Rooters, > > Happy New Year to all. > > To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, > Marriage Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public > research. > > These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date > and county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just > $5.00 (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at; > > reference.archives at state.or.us > > If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful > information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by > the county clerk. The returns include occupations of the parties, > number of times previously married and information on parents. > > Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012. > > Layne Sawyer > > "List Mom" > > Oregon State Archives > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 08:30:25 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:30:25 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Vital Records and 2nd question In-Reply-To: <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> References: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE0461590BE79@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> <005d01cccc3e$6878af00$396a0d00$@net> Message-ID: Looks to me like either the first one got cancelled because they went back together, or they remarried and it still didn't work out. My mom divorced my dad before I was born but then they remarried and it stuck the second time. Dale in California On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Ronda Howard wrote: > Hi Layne and everyone,**** > > Are other years available for those marriage returns?**** > > ** ** > > I don?t seem to be able to find my father-in-law?s first marriage. John > Brewer Howard married Doris Unknown on unknown date. I can find two > divorce records for them. I don?t know why there are two records with two > dates. I do know that John Brewer Howard married Nancy Anderson in > Chicago, IL on Dec 15, 1947. Any ideas would be welcome.**** > > Thanks!**** > > Ronda**** > > ** ** > > *Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information* > > *Case#***** > > 35208**** > > *Name***** > > Howard, John B vs Howard, Doris G**** > > *Date***** > > 11/15/1943**** > > *Record Type***** > > Divorce**** > > *County***** > > Clackamas**** > > *Source***** > > County**** > > ** ** > > *Oregon Historical Records Index Detail Information* > > *Case#***** > > 38363**** > > *Name***** > > Howard, Doris G vs Howard, John B**** > > *Date***** > > 07/16/1947**** > > *Record Type***** > > Divorce**** > > *County***** > > Clackamas**** > > *Source***** > > County**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto: > or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] *On Behalf Of *SAWYER, Layne G > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:57 AM > *To:* or-roots mail list (or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) > *Subject:* [or-roots] 1961 Vital Records**** > > ** ** > > OR-Rooters,**** > > ** ** > > Happy New Year to all. **** > > ** ** > > To help you celebrate the New Year the 1961 Death Certificates, Marriage > Returns and Divorce Returns are now available for public research.**** > > ** ** > > These records maybe researched in person or if you have an exact date and > county you may request a copy from the Reference staff for just $5.00 > (Out-of-state residents $10.00) at;**** > > ** ** > > reference.archives at state.or.us**** > > ** ** > > If you have never used the marriage returns they contain useful > information that is not found in the Marriage Records maintained by the > county clerk. The returns include occupations of the parties, number of > times previously married and information on parents.**** > > ** ** > > Here's hoping you have many genealogical successes in 2012.**** > > ** ** > > Layne Sawyer**** > > "List Mom"**** > > Oregon State Archives**** > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sat Jan 7 10:50:35 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Wallace G. Baker Message-ID: Does anyone on this list have a connection to the Baker family -- Royal F. and Nettie (Gore) Baker lived in Junction City at the time of the 1900 U.S. Census with their four children, Charles, Royal F. Jr., Henrietta and Wallace G. There is a "darling" cabinet photo of a young boy on Ebay right now that I believe to be Wallace G. Baker, b. 1 Aug 1895 in Oregon. I have no connection -- just hoping to get it back in the family. Linda VanOrden, President Junction City Historical Society _LinLouVan at aol.com_ (mailto:LinLouVan at aol.com) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Sat Jan 7 19:43:31 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:43:31 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Wallace G. Baker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Marsha Bradley Luthy here. I too have the picture, but I obtained it from a 2nd cousin who gave me a stack of newspaper articles that related to family members. I do have the connection. I recieved the picture from Dasey Davidson and see lived out of Dufur. Her mother was a Leabo, Iva Mae. I believe 3 diffirent of the Leabos married Bakers. Several of the Leabo's can be found muddy creek area and Brownsville, Leabon area. Thanks MBL On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:50 AM, wrote: > ** > Does anyone on this list have a connection to the Baker family -- Royal F. > and Nettie (Gore) Baker lived in Junction City at the time of the 1900 U.S. > Census with their four children, Charles, Royal F. Jr., Henrietta and > Wallace G. > > There is a "darling" cabinet photo of a young boy on Ebay right now that I > believe to be Wallace G. Baker, b. 1 Aug 1895 in Oregon. > > I have no connection -- just hoping to get it back in the family. > > Linda VanOrden, President > Junction City Historical Society > LinLouVan at aol.com > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Sat Jan 7 19:58:35 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:58:35 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Wallace G. Baker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking on Ebay ? search for? On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:50 AM, wrote: > ** > Does anyone on this list have a connection to the Baker family -- Royal F. > and Nettie (Gore) Baker lived in Junction City at the time of the 1900 U.S. > Census with their four children, Charles, Royal F. Jr., Henrietta and > Wallace G. > > There is a "darling" cabinet photo of a young boy on Ebay right now that I > believe to be Wallace G. Baker, b. 1 Aug 1895 in Oregon. > > I have no connection -- just hoping to get it back in the family. > > Linda VanOrden, President > Junction City Historical Society > LinLouVan at aol.com > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sat Jan 7 20:40:21 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 23:40:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Wallace G. Baker Message-ID: <7e69.3ffd4864.3c3a7835@aol.com> I found it by searching for "Junction City, Oregon" In a message dated 1/7/2012 7:58:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, PMML at MERITEL.NET writes: Looking on Ebay ? search for? On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:50 AM, <_LinLouVan at aol.com_ (mailto:LinLouVan at aol.com) > wrote: Does anyone on this list have a connection to the Baker family -- Royal F. and Nettie (Gore) Baker lived in Junction City at the time of the 1900 U.S. Census with their four children, Charles, Royal F. Jr., Henrietta and Wallace G. There is a "darling" cabinet photo of a young boy on Ebay right now that I believe to be Wallace G. Baker, b. 1 Aug 1895 in Oregon. I have no connection -- just hoping to get it back in the family. Linda VanOrden, President Junction City Historical Society _LinLouVan at aol.com_ (mailto:LinLouVan at aol.com) _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call _503-378-8800_ (tel:503-378-8800) . _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From birdman_326 at msn.com Sun Jan 8 07:23:35 2012 From: birdman_326 at msn.com (JOHN LAURA MCKINNEY) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:23:35 +0000 Subject: [or-roots] Speir, Blackburn, Brunner, Diedrich? surnames found on pictures I purchased in Clatskanie, OR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good morning to all. I just bought some pics. in clatskanie, OR. I wondered if anyone could help me figure out who and where these folks are. Thankyou, in advance. Here's the info. on the backs of pics.: l to r> Roberta Blackburn, Berry Blain, Ruby Blackburn, Linnie Brunner, Martha Blackburn, Hatti Winsworth, Daphinie Blackburn 1949-1950/ Fred Diedrich 1949/l to r> Roberta Blackburn, daughter Martha Ellen, Linnie Brunner, sister to Roberta/taken Jun. 1950 where Arliss and Annett were born McAllen (should be McClain?) TX./ Earlene 5 yrs. taken Dec. 1952 Arliss almost 3 Freddie 21/2 this is Grandma home Van Nuys, CA./ 8 weeks old Clate Speir's family 1943/ Martha blackburn, Josephine Blackburn/ Annett Patricia Speir age 151/2 Nov. 8? 1967 or 1961/ birthday party Clate 69 Arliss 6 months 1950. There were more pictures, next time I go that way, I'll buy the rest. I was looking in OK., and TX. for these folks, but then how did the pics. get to OR.? I did find 1930 census> OK.> McClain> Purcell City Blackburn family> Grover, Roberta, Dupree, Marcella, Martha, and Mary. I don't have ancestry so it's been alittle more fun trying to find out what happen to these folks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vkassing at minn.net Sun Jan 8 09:47:34 2012 From: vkassing at minn.net (ViolaRae Kassing) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 11:47:34 -0600 Subject: [or-roots] Speir, Blackburn, Brunner, Diedrich? surnames found on pictures I purchased in Clatskanie, OR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <097501ccce2d$9ae375b0$d0aa6110$@net> There are/were Blackburns in Klamath Falls. Several of the daughters/grandchildren currently live in Salem. None are into genealogy as far as I know. From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of JOHN LAURA MCKINNEY Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:24 AM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: [or-roots] Speir, Blackburn, Brunner, Diedrich? surnames found on pictures I purchased in Clatskanie, OR Good morning to all. I just bought some pics. in clatskanie, OR. I wondered if anyone could help me figure out who and where these folks are. Thankyou, in advance. Here's the info. on the backs of pics.: l to r> Roberta Blackburn, Berry Blain, Ruby Blackburn, Linnie Brunner, Martha Blackburn, Hatti Winsworth, Daphinie Blackburn 1949-1950/ Fred Diedrich 1949/l to r> Roberta Blackburn, daughter Martha Ellen, Linnie Brunner, sister to Roberta/taken Jun. 1950 where Arliss and Annett were born McAllen (should be McClain?) TX./ Earlene 5 yrs. taken Dec. 1952 Arliss almost 3 Freddie 21/2 this is Grandma home Van Nuys, CA./ 8 weeks old Clate Speir's family 1943/ Martha blackburn, Josephine Blackburn/ Annett Patricia Speir age 151/2 Nov. 8? 1967 or 1961/ birthday party Clate 69 Arliss 6 months 1950. There were more pictures, next time I go that way, I'll buy the rest. I was looking in OK., and TX. for these folks, but then how did the pics. get to OR.? I did find 1930 census> OK.> McClain> Purcell City Blackburn family> Grover, Roberta, Dupree, Marcella, Martha, and Mary. I don't have ancestry so it's been alittle more fun trying to find out what happen to these folks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Tue Jan 10 18:31:59 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:31:59 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Wallace G. Baker In-Reply-To: <7e69.3ffd4864.3c3a7835@aol.com> References: <7e69.3ffd4864.3c3a7835@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Marsha On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 8:40 PM, wrote: > ** > I found it by searching for "Junction City, Oregon" > > > In a message dated 1/7/2012 7:58:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > PMML at MERITEL.NET writes: > > Looking on Ebay ? search for? > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:50 AM, wrote: > >> ** >> Does anyone on this list have a connection to the Baker family -- Royal >> F. and Nettie (Gore) Baker lived in Junction City at the time of the 1900 >> U.S. Census with their four children, Charles, Royal F. Jr., Henrietta and >> Wallace G. >> >> There is a "darling" cabinet photo of a young boy on Ebay right now that >> I believe to be Wallace G. Baker, b. 1 Aug 1895 in Oregon. >> >> I have no connection -- just hoping to get it back in the family. >> >> Linda VanOrden, President >> Junction City Historical Society >> LinLouVan at aol.com >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> or-roots mailing list >> or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >> http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for >> content. >> Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) >> or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >> Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. >> >> > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygen2 at d-matney.com Wed Jan 11 22:49:51 2012 From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (Dan-M) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:49:51 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: Message-ID: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygen2 at d-matney.com Wed Jan 11 22:54:42 2012 From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (Dan-M) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:54:42 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregon death records References: <006101ccb5fc$a778f550$f66adff0$@net> <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE04615901CD0@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> <01e101ccb63b$324fd480$96ef7d80$@net><5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE04615901D5A@D5DAG1B.D5.USA.NET> <00f001ccb692$d501fee0$7f05fca0$@net> Message-ID: <2A51F8AE1EB24A05953AEA0863DEA538@AroundHome> thats a good one. I have one too, Oregon cert for a relation of Jacksonville Or, was listed Jackson ville Fla. lol . Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Oregon death records A word of caution. My grandfather, a resident of Jackson County, Oregon, died in Coconino County, Arizona, in 1960. The county listed on the Death Index is ?2?, which is Benton County. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygen2 at d-matney.com Wed Jan 11 23:08:54 2012 From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (Dan-M) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:08:54 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] PC References: <1791111956.126864.1324752450436.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4EF621E2.3060604@ccountry.net> Message-ID: Well. I been off line a few weeks. But I had a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Both. ;D Long sensitive small town story that made the Christmas Merry and the Holidays fulfilled. Dan M - :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Steward To: or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] PC Does it really matter who is going to be on the Board. We tolerate their need to say "happy holidays" and they can tolerate our "Merry Christmas". I'm standing for my personal beliefs and not worrying about being politically correct. Sue -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitehillranch at centurytel.net Thu Jan 12 08:04:08 2012 From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Bob&Diane) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:04:08 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Message-ID: <0dghxvyj73mcb6fv4qsl3rvt.1326384248694@email.android.com> Dan was there an "I" before the "O"s? Diane Dan-M wrote: > There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. > I would like to find out about this stone. >Who made them and how can I get records ? >Dan M >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Thu Jan 12 08:38:11 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:38:11 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M wrote: > ** > There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. > I would like to find out about this stone. > Who made them and how can I get records ? > Dan M > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MStang5165 at aol.com Thu Jan 12 08:40:13 2012 From: MStang5165 at aol.com (MStang5165 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:40:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Message-ID: More likely the International order of Odd Fellows. IOOF very common on older headstones. In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M <_mygen2 at d-matney.com_ (mailto:mygen2 at d-matney.com) > wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call _503-378-8800_ (tel:503-378-8800) . _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Thu Jan 12 08:41:44 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:41:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Message-ID: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> I believe that I.O.O.F. is International Order of Odd Fellows and I.O.F. is the International Order of Foresters Both could be looked up using a Google search. In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M <_mygen2 at d-matney.com_ (mailto:mygen2 at d-matney.com) > wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call _503-378-8800_ (tel:503-378-8800) . _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygenrw2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 12:32:38 2012 From: mygenrw2 at gmail.com (Dan JM) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 12:32:38 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <0dghxvyj73mcb6fv4qsl3rvt.1326384248694@email.android.com> Message-ID: There is a pic on my website. http://www.d-matney.com/Henry-Rogers.html Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob&Diane To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan was there an "I" before the "O"s? Diane Dan-M <mygen2 at d-matney.com> wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:02:24 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:02:24 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 Message-ID: Does anyone have access to this paper? I am trying to find the obituary of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the Oregonian on June 3, 1963. The name of the deceased was Noah Hardwick and I would like to get a copy if possible to give to my uncle who is his only surviving child. Dale in Californa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 14:13:03 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:13:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1326492783.18498.YahooMailNeo@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dale, if no one volunteers, go to the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society website at the following URL.. They have copies of the Oregonian and will look it up for you.? Click on the research link.? http://www.osl.state.or.us/home/Gen/wvgs.html ? ________________________________ From: Dale Harguess To: or-roots mail list Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:02 PM Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 Does anyone have access to this paper?? I am trying to find the obituary of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the Oregonian on June 3, 1963.? The name of the deceased was Noah Hardwick and I would like to get a copy if possible to give to my uncle who is his only surviving child. Dale in Californa _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Fri Jan 13 14:39:47 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:39:47 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: References: <0dghxvyj73mcb6fv4qsl3rvt.1326384248694@email.android.com> Message-ID: <010601ccd244$40f8ad70$c2ea0850$@net> Dan This is a military stone. 44th Wisconsin Infantry. Suggest this is CO. F. ? or Company F. Pat In Tucson From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Dan JM Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:33 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene There is a pic on my website. http://www.d-matney.com/Henry-Rogers.html Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob &Diane To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan was there an "I" before the "O"s? Diane Dan-M <mygen2 at d-matney.com> wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Fri Jan 13 14:45:47 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 14:45:47 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 In-Reply-To: <1326492783.18498.YahooMailNeo@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1326492783.18498.YahooMailNeo@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you so much. On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: > Dale, if no one volunteers, go to the Willamette Valley Genealogical > Society website at the following URL.. They have copies of the Oregonian > and will look it up for you. Click on the research link. > http://www.osl.state.or.us/home/Gen/wvgs.html > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dale Harguess > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 2:02 PM > *Subject:* [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 > > Does anyone have access to this paper? I am trying to find the obituary > of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the Oregonian on June 3, > 1963. The name of the deceased was Noah Hardwick and I would like to get a > copy if possible to give to my uncle who is his only surviving child. > Dale in Californa > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Fri Jan 13 14:50:58 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:50:58 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: References: <0dghxvyj73mcb6fv4qsl3rvt.1326384248694@email.android.com> Message-ID: <011701ccd245$d10d54f0$7327fed0$@net> Dan Go here: http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/roster/results.asp?image_id=2741 Rogers, Henry; St. Lawrence, Oct 15, ?64, Corp.; M. O. June 3, ?65 Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Dan JM Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:33 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene There is a pic on my website. http://www.d-matney.com/Henry-Rogers.html Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob &Diane To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan was there an "I" before the "O"s? Diane Dan-M <mygen2 at d-matney.com> wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Fri Jan 13 15:37:24 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:37:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 Message-ID: <7097f.a8ff845.3c421a34@aol.com> I was able to clip the wanted obituary from The Oregonian on GenealogyBank.com. I sent it directly to Dale. If anyone else wants a copy, I can forward it to you, too. If anyone is still unfamiliar with that subscription site, it is great for obits and historical research. Their search engine is a bit quirky, and they don't have all newspapers. They do, however, have The Oregonian back into the 1860s. Linda VanOrden Junction City, OR In a message dated 1/13/2012 2:03:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: Does anyone have access to this paper? I am trying to find the obituary of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the Oregonian on June 3, 1963. The name of the deceased was Noah Hardwick and I would like to get a copy if possible to give to my uncle who is his only surviving child. Dale in Californa _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 15:47:49 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:47:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 In-Reply-To: <7097f.a8ff845.3c421a34@aol.com> References: <7097f.a8ff845.3c421a34@aol.com> Message-ID: <1326498469.17253.YahooMailNeo@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Linda from another Linda.? I've got to look into Genealogybank myself--we discussed it at a meeting this morning in Stayton! ? ________________________________ From: "LinLouVan at aol.com" To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 I was able to clip the wanted obituary from The Oregonian on GenealogyBank.com. I sent it directly to Dale. If anyone else wants a copy, I can forward it to you, too. ? If anyone is still unfamiliar with that subscription site, it is great for obits and historical research. Their search engine is a bit quirky, and they don't have all newspapers. They do, however, have The Oregonian back into the 1860s. Linda VanOrden Junction City, OR ? ? In a message dated 1/13/2012 2:03:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: Does anyone have access to this paper?? I am trying to find the obituary of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the Oregonian on June 3, 1963.? The name of the deceased was Noah Hardwick and I would like to get a copy if possible to give to my uncle who is his only surviving child. >Dale in Californa > >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Fri Jan 13 16:10:40 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 16:10:40 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 In-Reply-To: <1326498469.17253.YahooMailNeo@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7097f.a8ff845.3c421a34@aol.com> <1326498469.17253.YahooMailNeo@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F10C800.8020007@ccountry.net> Linda, are you able to find quite a bit of info on Genealogy Bank? I've wondered about it and how does it compare to Ancestry.com. Sue On 1/13/2012 3:47 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: > Thanks, Linda from another Linda. I've got to look into Genealogybank > myself--we discussed it at a meeting this morning in Stayton! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "LinLouVan at aol.com" > *To:* or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 3:37 PM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 > > I was able to clip the wanted obituary from The Oregonian on > GenealogyBank.com . I sent it directly to > Dale. If anyone else wants a copy, I can forward it to you, too. > If anyone is still unfamiliar with that subscription site, it is great > for obits and historical research. Their search engine is a bit > quirky, and they don't have all newspapers. They do, however, have The > Oregonian back into the 1860s. > Linda VanOrden > Junction City, OR > In a message dated 1/13/2012 2:03:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: > > Does anyone have access to this paper? I am trying to find the > obituary of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the > Oregonian on June 3, 1963. The name of the deceased was Noah > Hardwick and I would like to get a copy if possible to give to my > uncle who is his only surviving child. > Dale in Californa > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible > for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? 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URL: From pmml at meritel.net Fri Jan 13 17:14:54 2012 From: pmml at meritel.net (Marsha Bradley-Luthy) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 17:14:54 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Speir, Blackburn, Brunner, Diedrich? surnames found on pictures I purchased in Clatskanie, OR In-Reply-To: <097501ccce2d$9ae375b0$d0aa6110$@net> References: <097501ccce2d$9ae375b0$d0aa6110$@net> Message-ID: <1ADA90DA-9AD7-411A-8419-883AAC766B21@meritel.net> I live on McKinney mountain original homestead of mckinneys in Oregon turner near hunsaker rd turner cemetery there if they were like the rest of the family probably moved during the depression for work and sent stuff home ? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2012, at 9:47 AM, "ViolaRae Kassing" wrote: > OK From LinLouVan at aol.com Fri Jan 13 18:33:02 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:33:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] GenelaogyBank.com and Ancestry.com, etc. Message-ID: <75177.56338029.3c42435e@aol.com> First of all, I will say that I am just a researcher and in no way connected with any websites. I have the US subscription to Ancestry.com and I have a subscription to GenealogyBank.com, as well as Fold3.com and WorldVitalRecords.com. I must say I do not use the latter two enough to make it pay and will need to think hard about renewal. When I'm doing strictly genealogical research, I use mainly Ancestry.com because I use Family Tree Maker 11 and they interface so nicely. Then if I'd like to find an obituary, as Dale requested, GenealogyBank is the one. Sometimes Ancestry.com finds a link to ObituaryDailyTimes, but I've never been able to even see and obituary there -- without another subscription. I also do a lot of strictly historical research about Junction City and the greater area before Junction City was incorporated. And, believe it or not, The Oregonian had quite a lot about all the areas of the state in those early newspapers. If you go to GenealogyBank.com, click on Historical Newspapers as soon as it loads and then you can choose a state. If I'm researching someone who lived in the Portland area, I often click on both Oregon and Washington. Like I mentioned before, the search engine is somewhat quirky (but I've pretty well learned different ways to search) and clipping newspaper articles takes some doing, but I'm getting used to it and appreciating it. Like all the subscription sites, each researcher needs to find what works for them at any given time. I hope that helps some. If you have further specific questions, I'd be happy to answer off the list. Linda VanOrden Junction City, OR _LinLouVan at aol.com_ (mailto:LinLouVan at aol.com) In a message dated 1/13/2012 4:10:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: Linda, are you able to find quite a bit of info on Genealogy Bank? I've wondered about it and how does it compare to Ancestry.com. Sue On 1/13/2012 3:47 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: Thanks, Linda from another Linda. I've got to look into Genealogybank myself--we discussed it at a meeting this morning in Stayton! ____________________________________ From: _"LinLouVan at aol.com"_ (mailto:LinLouVan at aol.com) __ (mailto:LinLouVan at aol.com) To: _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 I was able to clip the wanted obituary from The Oregonian on _GenealogyBank.com_ (http://genealogybank.com/) . I sent it directly to Dale. If anyone else wants a copy, I can forward it to you, too. If anyone is still unfamiliar with that subscription site, it is great for obits and historical research. Their search engine is a bit quirky, and they don't have all newspapers. They do, however, have The Oregonian back into the 1860s. Linda VanOrden Junction City, OR In a message dated 1/13/2012 2:03:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, _daleharguess4 at gmail.com_ (mailto:daleharguess4 at gmail.com) writes: Does anyone have access to this paper? I am trying to find the obituary of my Uncle's father which supposedly was in the Oregonian on June 3, 1963. The name of the deceased was Noah Hardwick and I would like to get a copy if possible to give to my uncle who is his only surviving child. Dale in Californa _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From lechevrier at q.com Fri Jan 13 20:27:14 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:27:14 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregonian Obit dated June 3, 1963 In-Reply-To: <4F10C800.8020007@ccountry.net> References: <7097f.a8ff845.3c421a34@aol.com> <1326498469.17253.YahooMailNeo@web112606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4F10C800.8020007@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <4F110422.30203@q.com> I suppose it really all depends on where one is researching -- if they have the material available that you need -- and if you have access -- folks like Dan M who really is "out in the sticks" isn't going to just pop in to the local library or even online (barely - the TV advert for the gas powered appliances strikes home), and the local library out there won't have the Oregonian on micro film, whereas in the Portland metro area, in addition to online availability, there are several libraries with full Oregonian archives on film. Bill Strickland From lechevrier at q.com Fri Jan 13 20:33:15 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:33:15 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] GenelaogyBank.com and Ancestry.com, etc. In-Reply-To: <75177.56338029.3c42435e@aol.com> References: <75177.56338029.3c42435e@aol.com> Message-ID: <4F11058B.6090503@q.com> And don't forget Heritage Quest! often available for free 'at home' log-in with your library card -- found a marriage notice in a newspaper they had that several of us have been looking for for a long time -- now we know where to look for the real thing. It's a big pain to have to go to every court house in a state like Kansas, just to find that they were married in Missouri. Bill Strickland From eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net Fri Jan 13 21:20:10 2012 From: eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net (eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 05:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] GenelaogyBank.com and Ancestry.com, etc. In-Reply-To: <75177.56338029.3c42435e@aol.com> Message-ID: <1272811482.798540.1326518410769.JavaMail.root@sz0084a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I love GenealogyBank.com. Besides all the other previous comments, I find that I can save the news article or obit?as a PDF and what I do is save the whole page and then just the article. Beats what I use to do and that was go to the main Library in Portland and sit at a microfiche reader looking and looking for an obit and then using there printer to print the obit ($$) and then come home and scan what?I printed into a PDF file. And that was just for obits. Now with there search engine I am able to find other articles that I otherwise would never of know about. ? Eugene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com Fri Jan 13 21:23:58 2012 From: DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com (Denise Sproed) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:23:58 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches Message-ID: <002001ccd27c$b7e1d4b0$27a57e10$@onlinenw.com> I would second Linda's comments. I have the US subscription to Ancestry.com and a subscription to GenealogyBank.com (both are extremely useful). I also subscribed to WorldVitalRecords.com not long ago because they said they had newspapers. I do not find it useful as of yet. I don't subscribe to Fold3 but it is good for military records. And Heritage Quest is excellent for it's PERSI Another site I find useful for Oregon is http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ - you can narrow the searches to Oregon - it covers only up to 1922 but includes some smaller newspapers and it is free. Another site that is free and helpful for locating articles is http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian where the years 1852-1987 are partially indexed. Sometimes that helps give a little more detail about the articles and leaves out advertisements - helpful with more common names There is also a California site (if your relatives wandered south a bit) at http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q Just a few sites that came to mind with this discussion. Denise Sproed (Descendant of many early Oregon Pioneers) A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 13 22:32:05 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:32:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches In-Reply-To: <002001ccd27c$b7e1d4b0$27a57e10$@onlinenw.com> References: <002001ccd27c$b7e1d4b0$27a57e10$@onlinenw.com> Message-ID: <1326522725.34277.YahooMailNeo@web112604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Denise, how does one access Heritage Quest?? I have a Chemeketa Regional Library card through the Stayton Library; also belong to the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society and Linn Gen. Society.? I browsed through GenealogyBank today--you can look around, but not get much info, without paying.? I checked out several states for their available newspapers.? At the moment not much I could use, but others might find many of their areas of interest are included.? thanks for your suggestions! ? ________________________________ From: Denise Sproed To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches I would second Linda?s comments.? I have the US subscription to Ancestry.com and a subscription to GenealogyBank.com (both are extremely useful).? I also subscribed to WorldVitalRecords.com not long ago because they said they had newspapers.? I do not find it useful as of yet.? I don?t subscribe to Fold3 but it is good for military records.? And Heritage Quest is excellent for it?s PERSI ? Another site I find useful for Oregon is http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ - you can narrow the searches to Oregon ? it covers only up to 1922 but includes some smaller newspapers and it is free. ? Another site that is free and helpful for locating articles is http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian? where the years 1852-1987 are partially indexed.? Sometimes that helps give a little more detail about the articles and leaves out advertisements ? helpful with more common names ? There is also a California site (if your relatives wandered south a bit) at http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q ? Just a few sites that came to mind with this discussion. ? Denise Sproed (Descendant of many early Oregon Pioneers) A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists ? My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site ? User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ ? _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Fri Jan 13 22:41:28 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 22:41:28 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches In-Reply-To: <1326522725.34277.YahooMailNeo@web112604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002001ccd27c$b7e1d4b0$27a57e10$@onlinenw.com> <1326522725.34277.YahooMailNeo@web112604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F112398.3020606@ccountry.net> I live in Medford and can access Heritage Quest through the Jackson County Library website. When I log on the library website there's a tab that says research and databases, when I go to Heritage I have to enter my library card. It seems to work well for me. Sue On 1/13/2012 10:32 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: > Denise, how does one access Heritage Quest? I have a Chemeketa > Regional Library card through the Stayton Library; also belong to the > Willamette Valley Genealogical Society and Linn Gen. Society. I > browsed through GenealogyBank today--you can look around, but not get > much info, without paying. I checked out several states for their > available newspapers. At the moment not much I could use, but others > might find many of their areas of interest are included. thanks for > your suggestions! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Denise Sproed > *To:* 'or-roots mail list' > *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM > *Subject:* [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches > > I would second Linda's comments. I have the US subscription to > Ancestry.com and a subscription to GenealogyBank.com > (both are extremely useful). I also > subscribed to WorldVitalRecords.com not > long ago because they said they had newspapers. I do not find it > useful as of yet. I don't subscribe to Fold3 but it is good for > military records. And Heritage Quest is excellent for it's PERSI > Another site I find useful for Oregon is > http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ - you can narrow the searches to > Oregon -- it covers only up to 1922 but includes some smaller > newspapers and it is free. > Another site that is free and helpful for locating articles is > http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian > where the years 1852-1987 are partially indexed. Sometimes that helps > give a little more detail about the articles and leaves out > advertisements -- helpful with more common names > There is also a California site (if your relatives wandered south a > bit) at http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q > Just a few sites that came to mind with this discussion. > Denise Sproed (Descendant of many early Oregon Pioneers) > A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists > My genealogy related pages are at: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ > The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site > User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com Sat Jan 14 00:06:45 2012 From: DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com (Denise Sproed) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 00:06:45 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches In-Reply-To: <1326522725.34277.YahooMailNeo@web112604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002001ccd27c$b7e1d4b0$27a57e10$@onlinenw.com> <1326522725.34277.YahooMailNeo@web112604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01ccd293$75587a60$60096f20$@onlinenw.com> Follow the link http://www.cityofsalem.net/Departments/Library/online-resources/Pages/Family-History.aspx Or if the link is broken visit the Salem Public Library page ? Online Resources ? Family History and you will see a Heritage Quest link ? enter your library card # and you have access from home Denise A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists The web page I made for my parents is at: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Linda Wiley Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:32 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches Denise, how does one access Heritage Quest? I have a Chemeketa Regional Library card through the Stayton Library; also belong to the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society and Linn Gen. Society. I browsed through GenealogyBank today--you can look around, but not get much info, without paying. I checked out several states for their available newspapers. At the moment not much I could use, but others might find many of their areas of interest are included. thanks for your suggestions! _____ From: Denise Sproed To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches I would second Linda?s comments. I have the US subscription to Ancestry.com and a subscription to GenealogyBank.com (both are extremely useful). I also subscribed to WorldVitalRecords.com not long ago because they said they had newspapers. I do not find it useful as of yet. I don?t subscribe to Fold3 but it is good for military records. And Heritage Quest is excellent for it?s PERSI Another site I find useful for Oregon is http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ - you can narrow the searches to Oregon ? it covers only up to 1922 but includes some smaller newspapers and it is free. Another site that is free and helpful for locating articles is http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian where the years 1852-1987 are partially indexed. Sometimes that helps give a little more detail about the articles and leaves out advertisements ? helpful with more common names There is also a California site (if your relatives wandered south a bit) at http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q Just a few sites that came to mind with this discussion. Denise Sproed (Descendant of many early Oregon Pioneers) A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sat Jan 14 13:32:29 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:32:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches Message-ID: <4eca0.6ed5b7d1.3c434e6d@aol.com> A note about Heritage Quest. -- I was a subscriber for many years to Heritage Quest; have many of their census CDs. However, since they changed to library subscriptions only, Heritage Quest is no longer available to me. I know that for anyone living near, and having a library card at the larger libraries, it works out quite well. For those of us in more rural areas with small libraries not able to afford Heritage Quest subscription, it is a different story. And, if I chose to have a non-resident card at the Eugene Public Library, that would make Heritage Quest my most expensive subscription. Too bad. I really liked HQ. Linda VanOrden In a message dated 1/14/2012 12:07:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com writes: Follow the link _http://www.cityofsalem.net/Departments/Library/online-resources/Pages/Family-History.aspx_ (http://www.cityofsalem.net/Departments/Library/online-resources/Pages/Family-History.aspx) Or if the link is broken visit the Salem Public Library page ? Online Resources ? Family History and you will see a Heritage Quest link ? enter your library card # and you have access from home Denise A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists The web page I made for my parents is at: _http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/_ (http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/) My genealogy related pages are at: _http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/_ (http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/) and _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/) The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) _http://www.whollygenes.com/_ (http://www.whollygenes.com/) From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Linda Wiley Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:32 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches Denise, how does one access Heritage Quest? I have a Chemeketa Regional Library card through the Stayton Library; also belong to the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society and Linn Gen. Society. I browsed through GenealogyBank today--you can look around, but not get much info, without paying. I checked out several states for their available newspapers. At the moment not much I could use, but others might find many of their areas of interest are included. thanks for your suggestions! ____________________________________ From: Denise Sproed <_DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com_ (mailto:DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com) > To: 'or-roots mail list' <_or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches I would second Linda?s comments. I have the US subscription to Ancestry.com and a subscription to _GenealogyBank.com_ (http://genealogybank.com/) (both are extremely useful). I also subscribed to _WorldVitalRecords.com_ (http://worldvitalrecords.com/) not long ago because they said they had newspapers. I do not find it useful as of yet. I don?t subscribe to Fold3 but it is good for military records. And Heritage Quest is excellent for it? s PERSI Another site I find useful for Oregon is _http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/_ (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/) - you can narrow the searches to Oregon ? it covers only up to 1922 but includes some smaller newspapers and it is free. Another site that is free and helpful for locating articles is _http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian_ (http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian) where the years 1852-1987 are partially indexed. Sometimes that helps give a little more detail about the articles and leaves out advertisements ? helpful with more common names There is also a California site (if your relatives wandered south a bit) at _http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q_ (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q) Just a few sites that came to mind with this discussion. Denise Sproed (Descendant of many early Oregon Pioneers) A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists My genealogy related pages are at: _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/) The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) _http://www.whollygenes.com/_ (http://www.whollygenes.com/) _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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I know that for anyone living near, and having a library card at the larger libraries, it works out quite well. For those of us in more rural areas with small libraries not able to afford Heritage Quest subscription, it is a different story. And, if I chose to have a non-resident card at the Eugene Public Library, that would make Heritage Quest my most expensive subscription. Too bad. I really liked HQ. Linda VanOrden ? In a message dated 1/14/2012 12:07:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com writes: Follow the link http://www.cityofsalem.net/Departments/Library/online-resources/Pages/Family-History.aspx Or if the link is broken visit the Salem Public Library page ? Online Resources ? Family History and you will see a Heritage Quest link ? enter your library card # and you have access from home ? Denise A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists ? The web page I made for my parents is at:? http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ ? My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Linda Wiley Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 10:32 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches ? Denise, how does one access Heritage Quest?? I have a Chemeketa Regional Library card through the Stayton Library; also belong to the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society and Linn Gen. Society.? I browsed through GenealogyBank today--you can look around, but not get much info, without paying.? I checked out several states for their available newspapers.? At the moment not much I could use, but others might find many of their areas of interest are included.? thanks for your suggestions! From: Denise Sproed < DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com > To: 'or-roots mail list' < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: [or-roots] Helpful sites for searches I would second Linda?s comments.? I have the US subscription to Ancestry.com and a subscription to GenealogyBank.com (both are extremely useful).? I also subscribed to WorldVitalRecords.com not long ago because they said they had newspapers.? I do not find it useful as of yet.? I don?t subscribe to Fold3 but it is good for military records.? And Heritage Quest is excellent for it?s PERSI? ? Another site I find useful for Oregon is http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ - you can narrow the searches to Oregon ? it covers only up to 1922 but includes some smaller newspapers and it is free. ? Another site that is free and helpful for locating articles is http://libweb.uoregon.edu/dc/newspaper/index.php?newspaper=oregonian ? where the years 1852-1987 are partially indexed.? Sometimes that helps give a little more detail about the articles and leaves out advertisements ? helpful with more common names ? There is also a California site (if your relatives wandered south a bit) at http://cdnc.ucr.edu/newsucr/cgi-bin/newsucr?a=q ? Just a few sites that came to mind with this discussion. Denise Sproed (Descendant of many early Oregon Pioneers) A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ ? _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From lechevrier at q.com Sun Jan 15 12:45:32 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:45:32 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Need help with broken link In-Reply-To: <1326656560.86574.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <16a55.47c71ed6.3c4468d0@aol.com> <1326656560.86574.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F133AEC.1050701@q.com> Because it is Kansas (http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/seneca/oregon/losttral.html), one might look for it at the official Kansas blueskyways site (Google for it), which is mostly historical/genealogical information about Kansas -- they also host the KS GenWeb and such From ssteward at ccountry.net Sun Jan 15 13:12:34 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:12:34 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Need help with broken link In-Reply-To: <1326656560.86574.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <16a55.47c71ed6.3c4468d0@aol.com> <1326656560.86574.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F134142.6010300@ccountry.net> http://web.archive.org/web/20000302013735/http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/seneca/oregon/mainpage.html Once I went to the page for "The Lost Trail", at the bottom of the page is the link for The Oregon Trail West. When I went to that there is a lot of info that can be accessed. Looks like a good site to mark as favorite. Sue On 1/15/2012 11:42 AM, Robyn Greenlund wrote: > Looks like the site went dark in 2005 - it is on the Internet archive > at > http://web.archive.org/web/19991115020158/http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/seneca/oregon/losttral.html > > I'm glad the information is still on the archive, but would love to > have it accessible to people more easily. If anyone contacts the > author, perhaps the old site can be migrated to another site? > > Robyn > rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com > > Interested in Coos County History? See what's online at > genealogytrails.com , > coquillevalley.org , or orgenweb.org > > Linkedin Facebook > Yahoo Answers > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sun Jan 15 15:11:44 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:11:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Need help with broken link Message-ID: <1e2a1.4edf92e0.3c44b730@aol.com> Thank you, Robyn Greenlund, for finding the article and sending the link. As stated many times before, "Isn't this a great list?" Linda VanOrden Junction City, Oregon LinLouVan at aol.com In a message dated 1/15/2012 1:12:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ssteward at ccountry.net writes: _http://web.archive.org/web/20000302013735/http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/senec a/oregon/mainpage.html_ (http://web.archive.org/web/20000302013735/http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/seneca/oregon/mainpage.html) Once I went to the page for "The Lost Trail", at the bottom of the page is the link for The Oregon Trail West. When I went to that there is a lot of info that can be accessed. Looks like a good site to mark as favorite. Sue On 1/15/2012 11:42 AM, Robyn Greenlund wrote: Looks like the site went dark in 2005 - it is on the Internet archive at _http://web.archive.org/web/19991115020158/http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/seneca/ oregon/losttral.html_ (http://web.archive.org/web/19991115020158/http://www.ukans.edu/kansas/seneca/oregon/losttral.html) I'm glad the information is still on the archive, but would love to have it accessible to people more easily. If anyone contacts the author, perhaps the old site can be migrated to another site? Robyn _rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com_ (http://rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com/) Interested in Coos County History? See what's online at _genealogytrails.com_ (http://genealogytrails.com/ore/coos) , _coquillevalley.org_ (http://coquillevalley.org/) , or _orgenweb.org_ (http://orgenweb.org/coos/) (http://www.linkedin.com/in/rgreenlund) (http://www.facebook.com/rgreenlund) (http://answers.yahoo.com/my/my;_ylt=Am0e7aEv9NKVsL2NcjzyGeTpy6IX;_ylv=3) _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 15 18:20:01 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] help with older information In-Reply-To: <16a55.47c71ed6.3c4468d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1326680401.41595.YahooMailClassic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I do have a lot of the stuff that has come over this list in the last eight years or so archived in a hit or miss fashion so if there is something that is missing from the list archives I might have it. I make no promises, especially with regards to my being able to find it if I do have it, but ya never know.? Of course most of what i have is just what came over the list, but once in a while when someone has posted a link to their stuff elsewhere that appeals to me, or is part of my family or the history of where my family has or is I save it. And yes, this is a great list. I ran across an old post of mine a few days ago and went to see what sort of response I had archived for it and was?surprised?to discover I had gotten answers to more questions than I had asked and ironically in my usual helter skelter fashion had not gotten all the info into my family file.? I found that because i had wandered back into that obscure branch of the family and noticed some information missing, went to google to look for it and first thing I found was my own query. Since that was the only hit I got is was very glad to be gruntled to find out I had gotten the answers I needed from this list.? Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From konajo37 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 15 20:46:53 2012 From: konajo37 at hotmail.com (Joanne Broadhurst) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:46:53 -1000 Subject: [or-roots] Newspapers online In-Reply-To: <1326688464.39827.YahooMailClassic@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1326686319.96247.YahooMailClassic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1326688464.39827.YahooMailClassic@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do you have a link to this. I have family in the Jacksonville Cemetery. Joanne Broadhurst Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:34:24 -0800 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Newspapers online Someone on this list is connected to Genealogy in the Jacksonville area and I just clipped an item about the cemetery they might find interesting, it is an add in the Sentinel Oregon sentinel. (Jacksonville, Or.) 1858-1888, January 28, 1860 about the cemetery being surveyed etc and open for formal business. I didn't get a real good copy of it, But I can email it if interested. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 58cjpeterson at comcast.net Sun Jan 15 22:02:04 2012 From: 58cjpeterson at comcast.net (Carol Peterson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] help with older information In-Reply-To: <1326680401.41595.YahooMailClassic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <818054324.928031.1326693724823.JavaMail.root@sz0024a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Les, Funny to hear about your recent "google" adventure. If I had a dime for every time I looked up something which I already have, but didn't remember, I would be rich...and I would then hire someone to help me organize all this "stuff"! I enjoy reading the postings anyway. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Chapman" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:20:01 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] help with older information I do have a lot of the stuff that has come over this list in the last eight years or so archived in a hit or miss fashion so if there is something that is missing from the list archives I might have it. I make no promises, especially with regards to my being able to find it if I do have it, but ya never know. Of course most of what i have is just what came over the list, but once in a while when someone has posted a link to their stuff elsewhere that appeals to me, or is part of my family or the history of where my family has or is I save it. And yes, this is a great list. I ran across an old post of mine a few days ago and went to see what sort of response I had archived for it and was surprised to discover I had gotten answers to more questions than I had asked and ironically in my usual helter skelter fashion had not gotten all the info into my family file. I found that because i had wandered back into that obscure branch of the family and noticed some information missing, went to google to look for it and first thing I found was my own query. Since that was the only hit I got is was very glad to be gruntled to find out I had gotten the answers I needed from this list. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. 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I > didn't get a real good copy of it, But I can email it if interested. > > Les C > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I spent a lot of time looking for a 2nd great grandfather in the Jacksonville area last night--fun! ? ________________________________ From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: [or-roots] Newspapers online Here is a link to Oregon papers online, a bit clunky to use, and I haven't found the CG Sentinel there yet. Les http://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lechevrier at q.com Mon Jan 16 17:58:03 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:58:03 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] NewFamilySearch.org now open to the everyone!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F14D5AB.6040703@q.com> No comments, other than this is from another list I'm on -- Godspeed! Bill Strickland If any of you wish to have access to newFamilySearch.org here are the instructions for doing that. Go to FamilySearch.org, sign-in, and then go to the following link: https://www.familysearch.org/help/viewdocument?documentId=112926&sliceId=SAL_Public&userQuery=112926 in the document that opens, look for this paragraph: A member of the general public may register to be given access to the new FamilySearch program through the registration page. **Click here** to open the registration page. Click on the underlined link 'Click here". Request for access is no longer needed and it will now take you directly into newFamilySearch. You may then go into the site anytime using the same username and password that you use at FamilySearch.org. When you first go in you will need update your profile (use same password to get into profile) and change your contact methods (the default is email only, you can also add phone and snail mail address) and create a helper access number - 5 digits, any combination of letters or numbers, no characters. Your tree begins with you by defautlt. You can begin to add/find family immediately. On the home page there are links to excellent guides and tutorials. There is excellent help found everywhere, as well as help by phone, chat and email. Warning: avoid adding living people, the site will NOT search for living individuals. The system defines dead as anyone who has a death date or has a birth date more that 110 years ago or a marriage date more than 95 years ago or has a child whose is more that 110 years old. 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Ironically I know one of the persons for certain as he has pursued the Melvin line even more fanatically than I have and I certainly am not going to get indignant with him.? I think I know the other person and am pretty sure she has the correct info since I am sure I have her a copy of my family files at the family reunion a few years back, so I wonder if she lost track of this, or lost interest. And are those funny little often too cryptic scraps of paper that many towns on the eastern seaboard transcribed their records onto a century or so ago really considered "original sources?" She has Gr Gr Grampa Tack dead in march but the funny little scrap of paper says "12 mo 21st 1849 of Cochesial" (sp?? it's something like that.) I don't see how to access others sources so will have to contact her to find out why. If say she got that date from "History of Del Norte Co." does my silly scrap trump her second hand information? Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pswitzertatum at peoplepc.com Mon Jan 16 20:28:25 2012 From: pswitzertatum at peoplepc.com (Paulette) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:28:25 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [or-roots] Leabo and Williamson Message-ID: <24958478.1326774505648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I realize this is off the current topic, but I wonder if the person on the list who had Leabo/Leabow in their family history is still around? I was researching families associated with my McClintock families and one is Edgar. James Wilson Edgar married Eliza Frances McClintock; they are buried in Etna Cemetery, Polk Co., OR. Three of the Edgar children married into a Williamson family in Oregon in the 1890s. The parents of these Williamson kids were Reuben Lewis Williamson and Nancy Ann Albertson. Reuben Lewis Williamson's parents were John Nelson Williamson and Catherine Ragan Emert. In looking for this family in the 1850 census, I can see there are Leabos, the family of Isaac Leabo (b. abt. 1805 TN), living close to them in Ray Co., MO. I wonder if these are the Leabos who are related to someone on this list? I remember we discussed possible connections at one time, but it was confusing to me. Sorry to go on and on, but I noticed this name because I have Leabo by marriage associated with my Moore family in Linn Co., MO. Isham Leabo married Sarah Ann Moore abt. 1826 in Claiborne Co., TN. Sarah Ann Moore was a sister of my ancestor Squire Moore (1850 lived in Linn Co., MO), as well as of their youngest sister Lucinda Moore Lewis who died on the Oregon Trail in 1852 near Birch Creek, OR, wife of Fielding Lewis Jr. I know that Sarah and Isham Leabo were in Blount Co., TN in the 1850 census, where her parents (and Squire and Lucinda's) David and Margaret Moore lived. I just wondered if these Leabos are connected or not. Paulette ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 09:49:15 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:49:15 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregaon State Archives Records Message-ID: Hi there, I seem to have lost my link to the Oregon State Archives site whee you can look up marriages, etc. Does anyone have it? Thanks, Dale in California -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ross1948 at bendcable.com Tue Jan 17 10:27:30 2012 From: ross1948 at bendcable.com (ross1948 at bendcable.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:27:30 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregon State Archives Records In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F9DADDA4D0841B1B8C7141E46864C9D@MSIWindmsi> Just go to Oregon State Archives (It will also say Secretary of State) ...go to GENEALOGY Then to Oregon Historical Records. You should be able to find what you are looking for there. From: Dale Harguess Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:49 AM To: or-roots mail list Subject: [or-roots] Oregaon State Archives Records Hi there, I seem to have lost my link to the Oregon State Archives site whee you can look up marriages, etc. Does anyone have it? Thanks, Dale in California -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 17 12:42:13 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:42:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Leabo and Williamson In-Reply-To: <24958478.1326774505648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1326832933.6699.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> For starters if ever there was a list that wasn't "thread oriented" I would say it is this one; Thank Layne. ? Of course as one of the biggest abuser of the few rules we are supposed to follow I would say that. Okay as to Leabo; ?I find a Nancy from St Helens who posted a Leabo McCubbins item in 2006 who I think is still on the list? Interesting right under her was a post by a Karla Williams about an elusive ancestor, but no connection. Ah, I think the person you really need to talk to is Marsh Bradley-Luthy and I am pretty sure she is still on here. Beth Perry Johnston also has some kind of connection to the name. If you'd like I can extract what I have on the name Leabo (Williams unless in the same document being much more problematic) and email it to you off list. It will be a day or three before I can get around to it though as I am supposed to be catching up on my paper work instead of playing on the computer. Les C --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Paulette wrote:Subject: [or-roots] Leabo and Williamson I realize this is off the current topic, but I wonder if the person on the list who had Leabo/Leabow in their family history is still around? I was researching families associated with my McClintock families and one is Edgar. James Wilson Edgar married Eliza Frances McClintock; they are buried in Etna Cemetery, Polk Co., OR. Three of the Edgar children married into a Williamson family in Oregon in the 1890s. The parents of these Williamson kids were Reuben Lewis Williamson and Nancy Ann Albertson. Reuben Lewis Williamson's parents were John Nelson Williamson and Catherine Ragan Emert. In looking for this family in the 1850 census, I can see there are Leabos, the family of Isaac Leabo (b. abt. 1805 TN), living close to them in Ray Co., MO. I wonder if these are the Leabos who are related to someone on this list? I remember we discussed possible connections at one time, but it was confusing to me. Sorry to go on and on, but I noticed this name because I have Leabo by marriage associated with my Moore family in Linn Co., MO. Isham Leabo married Sarah Ann Moore abt. 1826 in Claiborne Co., TN. Sarah Ann Moore was a sister of my ancestor Squire Moore (1850 lived in Linn Co., MO), as well as of their youngest sister Lucinda Moore Lewis who died on the Oregon Trail in 1852 near Birch Creek, OR, wife of Fielding Lewis Jr. I know that Sarah and Isham Leabo were in Blount Co., TN in the 1850 census, where her parents (and Squire and Lucinda's) David and Margaret Moore lived. I just wondered if these Leabos are connected or not. 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You should be able > to find what you are looking for there. > > *From:* Dale Harguess > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:49 AM > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Subject:* [or-roots] Oregaon State Archives Records > > Hi there, > > I seem to have lost my link to the Oregon State Archives site whee you can > look up marriages, etc. Does anyone have it? > Thanks, > Dale in California > > ------------------------------ > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? 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On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > I think this one should work; > > http://genealogy.state.or.us/ > > You can also just google Oregon archives and it should lead you to a page > where you can find the archives stuff, as with most links this one will > inevitably expire so you need to remember how to find them again. > > Les C > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bpjohnston at charter.net Tue Jan 17 14:52:30 2012 From: bpjohnston at charter.net (Beth Perry Johnston) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:52:30 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Leabo and Williamson In-Reply-To: <1326832933.6699.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <24958478.1326774505648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1326832933.6699.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can't answer the original question but thought I'd clarify my Leabo relationship. Miles and Ethel (Gerking) Leabo were my great-uncle and aunt. Beth On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: [snip] > > > Beth Perry Johnston also has some kind of connection to the name. > > > [snip] > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Tue Jan 17 21:38:40 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:38:40 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Leabo and Williamson In-Reply-To: <24958478.1326774505648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24958478.1326774505648.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Paulette Marsha Bradley-Luthy here decendent of Catherine Leabo Fish. Isiac Leabo was sister to Catherine. Isiac Leabo and a group came from Ray Co. MO. but it was only a holding period until they could complete the trip it was only a place to winter over. Family was there and was easy place to stay for the winter. The Connection your looking for is see below Isiac and Catherine were brother and sister, There father was Noah Leabo. son of Francis Isiac Leabo and Sarah Jennings Years ago I researched and found no connections. Then someone connected with me and Barbara is connected by marriage to Issiac Zinnie Leabo which was Noahs brother. I have it somewhere and will get back if it is a big deal to you. exact connection. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE BUREAU OF THE CENSUS WASHINGTON Schedule 1.---Free Inhabitants in District No. 75 , in theCounty of Ray , State of Missouri . enumerated by me, on the 29thday of October , 1850. Geo I. Wasson Ass't Marshall 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 Leabo Jane 22 F Ten Leabo Daniel 20 M Laborer Mo Leabo John 16 M Laborer Mo X Leabo Joel 14 M Mo X Leabo Mary 11 F Mo X Leabo Rhoda 6 F Mo X Hendricks Martha 14 F Virg Leabo Barbara 65 F Va 1106 1106 Gordon John D. 36 M Farmer1,100 Ky Gordon Emily 31 F Ky Gordon Thomas 9 M Mo X Gordon Tilitha 7 F Mo X Gordon Henry 3 M Mo Gordon Sarah 2 F Mo 1107 1107 Williamson John 40 M Farmer320 Ten Williamson Catharine 38 F Ten Williamson Elizabeth 18 F Ten Williamson Lucinda 15 F ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Paulette wrote: > I realize this is off the current topic, but I wonder if the person on the > list who had Leabo/Leabow in their family history is still around? > > I was researching families associated with my McClintock families and one > is Edgar. James Wilson Edgar married Eliza Frances McClintock; they are > buried in Etna Cemetery, Polk Co., OR. > > Three of the Edgar children married into a Williamson family in Oregon in > the 1890s. The parents of these Williamson kids were Reuben Lewis > Williamson and Nancy Ann Albertson. Reuben Lewis Williamson's parents were > John Nelson Williamson and Catherine Ragan Emert. In looking for this > family in the 1850 census, I can see there are Leabos, the family of Isaac > Leabo (b. abt. 1805 TN), living close to them in Ray Co., MO. I wonder if > these are the Leabos who are related to someone on this list? I remember we > discussed possible connections at one time, but it was confusing to me. > > Sorry to go on and on, but I noticed this name because I have Leabo by > marriage associated with my Moore family in Linn Co., MO. Isham Leabo > married Sarah Ann Moore abt. 1826 in Claiborne Co., TN. Sarah Ann Moore was > a sister of my ancestor Squire Moore (1850 lived in Linn Co., MO), as well > as of their youngest sister Lucinda Moore Lewis who died on the Oregon > Trail in 1852 near Birch Creek, OR, wife of Fielding Lewis Jr. I know that > Sarah and Isham Leabo were in Blount Co., TN in the 1850 census, where her > parents (and Squire and Lucinda's) David and Margaret Moore lived. > > I just wondered if these Leabos are connected or not. > > Paulette > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? 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URL: From mygenrw2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 21:26:05 2012 From: mygenrw2 at gmail.com (Dan JM) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:26:05 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <0dghxvyj73mcb6fv4qsl3rvt.1326384248694@email.android.com> <011701ccd245$d10d54f0$7327fed0$@net> Message-ID: <3FD569AB06704C899C8101CA08C8A1F3@AroundHome> Yes I had that page, its on my web site. I also got the copy from the original book. But it dont tell who did the stone. Unless I missed something. He was also in the service 2 times, he reenlisted as a corp. also. I am looking for where he died, when, and how the burial transaction for the stone was done and when, there is no death date. The stone basically says nothing. We had the inf stuff from the day we went for pictures about 1997-8 but no one not even the cemetery knows when the stone showed up there and by whom. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan Go here: http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/roster/results.asp?image_id=2741 Rogers, Henry; St. Lawrence, Oct 15, ?64, Corp.; M. O. June 3, ?65 Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Dan JM Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 1:33 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene There is a pic on my website. http://www.d-matney.com/Henry-Rogers.html Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob&Diane To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan was there an "I" before the "O"s? Diane Dan-M <mygen2 at d-matney.com> wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygenrw2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 19 21:27:30 2012 From: mygenrw2 at gmail.com (Dan JM) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:27:30 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> Message-ID: <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. And its still a mystery. ;) Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: LinLouVan at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I believe that I.O.O.F. is International Order of Odd Fellows and I.O.F. is the International Order of Foresters Both could be looked up using a Google search. In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Fri Jan 20 07:47:16 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 07:47:16 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> Message-ID: <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: > I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. > And its still a mystery. > ;) > Dan M > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* LinLouVan at aol.com > *To:* or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:41 AM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > I believe that I.O.O.F. is International Order of Odd Fellows > and I.O.F. is the International Order of Foresters > Both could be looked up using a Google search. > In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: > > If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M > wrote: > > There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. > I would like to find out about this stone. > Who made them and how can I get records ? > Dan M > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not > responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to > list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800 . > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Fri Jan 20 08:57:28 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:57:28 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> Message-ID: <045701ccd794$97cabe40$c7603ac0$@net> Dan I probably wasn't clear, or I never sent the message. "OO. F." Is actually "CO. F." Which was "Company F". This was the company he was attached to. If you look very closely, you will see that there is a "." Only after the "O" and "F" - not the "C". As to who placed this marker, they appear to be furnished by the federal government. From: http://www.cem.va.gov/hist/hmhist.asp "In 1873, Secretary of War William W. Belknap adopted the first design for stones to be erected in national cemeteries. For the known dead, the department adopted a slab design of marble or durable stone four inches thick, 10 inches wide and 12 inches in height extending above the ground. The part above the ground was polished and the top slightly curved. The number of the grave, rank, name of the soldier and the name of the state were cut on the front face. This original design for the permanent headstone was referred to as the "Civil War" type, and was furnished for members of the Union Army only. The stone featured a sunken shield in which the inscription appeared in bas relief. For the unknown dead, the stone was a block of marble or durable stone six inches square, and 30 inches long. The top and four inches of the sides of the upper part were finished and the number of the grave cut on the top. On Feb. 3, 1879, Congress authorized the furnishing of stones for the unmarked graves of veterans in private cemeteries. Insofar as known, the only type used was the same as used for the known dead in national cemeteries." So far, you know that Henry was alive in 1900, and died bef 1905. And, is buried in Springfield? Do you know when Elizabeth died? Do you know where she is buried? Can you check with the cemetery for records? Or the funeral homes that were operating at that time? Good luck, Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Dan JM Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:28 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. And its still a mystery. ;) Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: LinLouVan at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I believe that I.O.O.F. is International Order of Odd Fellows and I.O.F. is the International Order of Foresters Both could be looked up using a Google search. In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darlene at thecasteels.net Fri Jan 20 09:15:43 2012 From: darlene at thecasteels.net (Darlene) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:15:43 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: From Ancestry.com -- Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane County, OR. (Another record, not so complete, says rank in & rank out were both private). The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery that I photographed, and then researched the individuals. There is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903. Since your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record. In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is probably correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information there. Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. Darlene On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: > But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. > > > On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. >> And its still a mystery. >> ;) >> Dan M >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 20 11:11:59 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> Message-ID: <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley.? I emailed our Tent President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows you--you helped her with our webpage.? I recognized our DUV wreath from the picture on find-a-grave.? She verified it is CO F.? Darleen provided good info in her post about the government-provided memorial stones.? Sons of Union Veterans has an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do not have a headstone.? I think this national project started in 1996.? There might be info in his CW records about the headstone.? My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it was mentioned.? Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR ? ________________________________ From: Darlene To: or-roots mail list Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Sue is correct.? It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: From Ancestry.com -- Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the Union army on 15 Oct 1864.? Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state served Wisconsin.? He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane County, OR.? (Another record, not so complete,? says rank in & rank out were both private).? The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal Government.? It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery that I photographed, and then researched the individuals.? There is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903.? Since your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record.? In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is probably correct.? The record posted on Ancestry is from the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information there. Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives:? On August 4 (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in Minnesota.? Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf.? On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. Darlene On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. > > >On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: > >>I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. >>?? And its still a mystery. >>;) >>Dan M >> _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 20 14:09:54 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:09:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <4F19A1CE.7080504@q.com> References: <8CEA5A5D7632FB8-1F3C-9BD3@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <4F19A1CE.7080504@q.com> Message-ID: <8CEA5D75FB6C1CF-1F3C-C6B3@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... Thanks for any assistance. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Chris Strickland To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:18 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 I am searching for the names of and records from the orphanages in the Portland area between 1923 and 1926. Congratulations! Great project -- let us know what you find. Oh! Maybe you think someone could direct you to such a list? Perhaps, but maybe you'd want to ask for such help? Thank you, Bill Strickland _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From royblaine at msn.com Fri Jan 20 14:40:42 2012 From: royblaine at msn.com (Roy Blaine) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 14:40:42 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <8CEA5D75FB6C1CF-1F3C-C6B3@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEA5A5D7632FB8-1F3C-9BD3@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>, <4F19A1CE.7080504@q.com>, <8CEA5D75FB6C1CF-1F3C-C6B3@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My aunt's mother lived in a Portland orphanage in the late 1890s. Unfortunately we have not figured out which one. Roy N. Blaine To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us From: rowriver at aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:09:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... Thanks for any assistance. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Chris Strickland To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 9:18 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 I am searching for the names of and records from the orphanages in the Portland area between 1923 and 1926. Congratulations! Great project -- let us know what you find. Oh! Maybe you think someone could direct you to such a list? Perhaps, but maybe you'd want to ask for such help? Thank you, Bill Strickland _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pswitzertatum at peoplepc.com Sat Jan 21 00:10:43 2012 From: pswitzertatum at peoplepc.com (Paulette) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:10:43 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [or-roots] Leabo and Williamson Message-ID: <24721840.1327133443413.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygen2 at d-matney.com Sat Jan 21 10:54:39 2012 From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (Dan-M) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:54:39 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> Message-ID: Hmm, have to look really close at the picture even with the chalked one thats hard to make out. Nope, never noticed that. Ok. I looked again and I cant see the split on the O to C so I will expand it later. Ok. So now where does this lead , still dont have any info on dates or who paid it, and the cemetery did not bother to record it. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Steward To: or-roots mail list Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. And its still a mystery. ;) Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: LinLouVan at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I believe that I.O.O.F. is International Order of Odd Fellows and I.O.F. is the International Order of Foresters Both could be looked up using a Google search. In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygen2 at d-matney.com Sat Jan 21 10:58:03 2012 From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (Dan-M) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:58:03 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> <045701ccd794$97cabe40$c7603ac0$@net> Message-ID: <72081D03F31A445790EE8D5DDCC63E11@AroundHome> I dont have any more details than I posted on the website. I am re doing the codes tho so will be adding any things that are not posted. I know Elizabeth was receiving pension some time around 1904. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan I probably wasn't clear, or I never sent the message. "OO. F." Is actually "CO. F." Which was "Company F". This was the company he was attached to. If you look very closely, you will see that there is a "." Only after the "O" and "F" - not the "C". As to who placed this marker, they appear to be furnished by the federal government. From: http://www.cem.va.gov/hist/hmhist.asp "In 1873, Secretary of War William W. Belknap adopted the first design for stones to be erected in national cemeteries. For the known dead, the department adopted a slab design of marble or durable stone four inches thick, 10 inches wide and 12 inches in height extending above the ground. The part above the ground was polished and the top slightly curved. The number of the grave, rank, name of the soldier and the name of the state were cut on the front face. This original design for the permanent headstone was referred to as the "Civil War" type, and was furnished for members of the Union Army only. The stone featured a sunken shield in which the inscription appeared in bas relief. For the unknown dead, the stone was a block of marble or durable stone six inches square, and 30 inches long. The top and four inches of the sides of the upper part were finished and the number of the grave cut on the top. On Feb. 3, 1879, Congress authorized the furnishing of stones for the unmarked graves of veterans in private cemeteries. Insofar as known, the only type used was the same as used for the known dead in national cemeteries." So far, you know that Henry was alive in 1900, and died bef 1905. And, is buried in Springfield? Do you know when Elizabeth died? Do you know where she is buried? Can you check with the cemetery for records? Or the funeral homes that were operating at that time? Good luck, Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Dan JM Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:28 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. And its still a mystery. ;) Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: LinLouVan at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I believe that I.O.O.F. is International Order of Odd Fellows and I.O.F. is the International Order of Foresters Both could be looked up using a Google search. In a message dated 1/12/2012 8:38:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, daleharguess4 at gmail.com writes: If itis IOOF it could be International Order of Foresters. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Dan-M wrote: There is a head stone with O.O.F. on it. I would like to find out about this stone. Who made them and how can I get records ? Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mygen2 at d-matney.com Sat Jan 21 11:05:36 2012 From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (Dan-M) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 11:05:36 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with regular type print. It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find the money to get that book that store had closed and those books were gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry said 1903, was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a residence providing these old people hospice or what and where and who all those w words. I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley. I emailed our Tent President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows you--you helped her with our webpage. I recognized our DUV wreath from the picture on find-a-grave. She verified it is CO F. Darleen provided good info in her post about the government-provided memorial stones. Sons of Union Veterans has an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do not have a headstone. I think this national project started in 1996. There might be info in his CW records about the headstone. My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it was mentioned. Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Darlene To: or-roots mail list Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: From Ancestry.com -- Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane County, OR. (Another record, not so complete, says rank in & rank out were both private). The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery that I photographed, and then researched the individuals. There is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903. Since your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record. In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is probably correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information there. Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. Darlene On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. And its still a mystery. ;) Dan M _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 21 13:45:53 2012 From: rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com (Robyn Greenlund) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:45:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> Message-ID: <1327182353.95658.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The Old Soldier's Home in California would be the one at Sawtelle, and the LDS Family Centers have the records for the homes on microfilm. You can learn more about them and request the films via this link: ?https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/US_Military_Old_Soldiers_Home_Records ? ________________________________ From: Dan-M To: Linda Wiley ; or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with regular type print. ?? It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find the money to get that book that store had closed and those books were gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry said 1903, was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a residence providing these old people hospice or what and where and who all those w words. ?? I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? Dan ----- Original Message ----- >From: Linda Wiley >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM >Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > >Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley.? I emailed our Tent President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows you--you helped her with our webpage.? I recognized our DUV wreath from the picture on find-a-grave.? She verified it is CO F.? Darleen provided good info in her post about the government-provided memorial stones.? Sons of Union Veterans has an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do not have a headstone.? I think this national project started in 1996.? There might be info in his CW records about the headstone.? My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it was mentioned.? Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR > > > > > >________________________________ >From: Darlene >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM >Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > >Sue is correct.? It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF > >I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: >From Ancestry.com -- >Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the Union army on 15 Oct 1864.? Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state served Wisconsin.? He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane County, OR.? (Another record, not so complete,? says rank in & rank out were both private).? > >The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal Government.? It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery that I photographed, and then researched the individuals.? There is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903.? Since your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record.? In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is probably correct.? The record posted on Ancestry is from the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information there. > >Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives:? On August 4 (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in Minnesota.? Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf.? On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. > >Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. >Darlene > >On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >> >> >>On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. >>>?? And its still a mystery. >>>;) >>>Dan M >>> >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > > >________________________________ >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From darlene at thecasteels.net Sat Jan 21 14:11:55 2012 From: darlene at thecasteels.net (Darlene) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:11:55 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <1327182353.95658.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <1327182353.95658.YahooMailNeo@web112420.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F1B382B.40908@thecasteels.net> Ancestry also has the records of the Sawtelle home, and I found information there for several of my distant family members. I checked Ancestry, but found no records for Henry Rogers or William Henry Rogers that fit the subject individual. Here is the web site for Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War: http://www.suvcw.org/ Darlene On 1/21/2012 2:45 PM, Robyn Greenlund wrote: > The Old Soldier's Home in California would be the one at Sawtelle, and > the LDS Family Centers have the records for the homes on microfilm. > You can learn more about them and request the films via this link: > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/US_Military_Old_Soldiers_Home_Records > > Robyn > rgreenlund61 at yahoo.com > > Interested in Coos County History? See what's online at > genealogytrails.com , > coquillevalley.org , or orgenweb.org > > Linkedin Facebook > Yahoo Answers > > > *From:* Dan-M > *To:* Linda Wiley ; or-roots mail list > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:05 AM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, > there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with > regular type print. > It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, > Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to > Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find > the money to get that book that store had closed and those books were > gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry said 1903, > was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a residence providing > these old people hospice or what and where and who all those w words. > I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Linda Wiley > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War > (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley. I emailed our Tent > President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows > you--you helped her with our webpage. I recognized our DUV wreath > from the picture on find-a-grave. She verified it is CO F. > Darleen provided good info in her post about the > government-provided memorial stones. Sons of Union Veterans has > an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do > not have a headstone. I think this national project started in > 1996. There might be info in his CW records about the headstone. > My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried in Albany, > and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the stone > provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it was > mentioned. Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR > > *From:* Darlene > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads > CO. F, 44 WIS. INF > > I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is > posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: > From Ancestry.com -- > Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the > Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state > served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th > Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane > County, OR. (Another record, not so complete, says rank in & > rank out were both private). > > The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal > Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery > that I photographed, and then researched the individuals. There > is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased > Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the > marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903. Since your > ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he > would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record. In > your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield > census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is > probably correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from the > National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information > there. > > Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 > (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for > invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in > Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth > M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, > Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. > > Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. > Darlene > > On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >> But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >> >> >> On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says >>> O.O.F. >>> And its still a mystery. >>> ;) >>> Dan M >>> > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible > for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? 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URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Sat Jan 21 14:24:10 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:24:10 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> Message-ID: <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> This is possibly the Henry Rogers you saw in the book but it appears he was buried in a V. A. Cemetery. Headstones Provided for Deceased Union Civil War Veterans, 1879-1903 Name: Henry J Rogers State of Cemetery: California Date of Death: 9 Apr 1903 U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 Name: Henry F Rogers Death Date: 9 Apr 1903 Cemetery: Los Angeles National Cemetery Cemetery Address: 950 South Sepulveda Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90049 Buried At: Section 8 Row F Site 13 On 1/21/2012 11:05 AM, Dan-M wrote: > I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, > there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with > regular type print. > It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, > Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to > Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find > the money to get that book that store had closed and those books were > gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry said 1903, > was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a residence providing > these old people hospice or what and where and who all those w words. > I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Linda Wiley > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War > (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley. I emailed our Tent > President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows > you--you helped her with our webpage. I recognized our DUV wreath > from the picture on find-a-grave. She verified it is CO F. > Darleen provided good info in her post about the > government-provided memorial stones. Sons of Union Veterans has > an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do > not have a headstone. I think this national project started in > 1996. There might be info in his CW records about the headstone. > My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried in Albany, > and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the stone > provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it was > mentioned. Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Darlene > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads > CO. F, 44 WIS. INF > > I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is > posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: > From Ancestry.com -- > Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the > Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state > served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th > Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane > County, OR. (Another record, not so complete, says rank in & > rank out were both private). > > The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal > Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery > that I photographed, and then researched the individuals. There > is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased > Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the > marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903. Since your > ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he > would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record. In > your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield > census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is > probably correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from the > National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information > there. > > Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 > (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for > invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in > Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth > M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, > Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. > > Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. > Darlene > > On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >> But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >> >> >> On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says >>> O.O.F. >>> And its still a mystery. >>> ;) >>> Dan M >>> > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible > for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible > for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? 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I wonder, however---his legal name was William Henry Rogers and this one has a middle initial after Henry.I've been sending Dan some information off the list on finding records, etc., and he asked for contacts for the Sons of Union Veterans which I gave him. ? ________________________________ From: Sue Steward To: or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene This is possibly the Henry Rogers you saw in the book but it appears he was buried in a V. A. Cemetery. Headstones Provided for Deceased Union Civil War Veterans, 1879-1903 Name:Henry J Rogers State of Cemetery:California Date of Death:9 Apr 1903 U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 Name:Henry F Rogers Death Date:9 Apr 1903 Cemetery:Los Angeles National Cemetery Cemetery Address:950 South Sepulveda Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90049 Buried At:Section 8 Row F Site 13 On 1/21/2012 11:05 AM, Dan-M wrote: I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with regular type print. >?? It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find the money to get that book that store had closed and those books were gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry said 1903, was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a residence providing these old people hospice or what and where and who all those w words. >?? I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? >Dan >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Linda Wiley >>To: or-roots mail list >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM >>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >> >> >>Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley.? I emailed our Tent President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows you--you helped her with our webpage.? I recognized our DUV wreath from the picture on find-a-grave.? She verified it is CO F.? Darleen provided good info in her post about the government-provided memorial stones.? Sons of Union Veterans has an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do not have a headstone.? I think this national project started in 1996.? There might be info in his CW records about the headstone.? My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it was mentioned.? Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR >> >>? >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Darlene >>To: or-roots mail list >>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM >>Subject: Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >> >> >>Sue is correct.? It is a Civil War military grave stone, and reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF >> >>I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: >>From Ancestry.com -- >>Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the Union army on 15 Oct 1864.? Rank at enlistment was Corporal, state served Wisconsin.? He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane County, OR.? (Another record, not so complete,? says rank in & rank out were both private).? >> >>The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal Government.? It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery that I photographed, and then researched the individuals.? There is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903.? Since your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry record.? In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is probably correct.? The record posted on Ancestry is from the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more information there. >> >>Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives:? On August 4 (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in Minnesota.? Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf.? On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. >> >>Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. >>Darlene >> >>On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >>But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >>> >>> >>>On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>> >>>>I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says O.O.F. >>>>?? And its still a mystery. >>>>;) >>>>Dan M >>>> >>_____________________________________________________ >>or-roots mailing list >>or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >>http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >>Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Sat Jan 21 16:42:36 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:42:36 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F1B5B7C.7090306@ccountry.net> That's true about the name but he spoke of seeing something in a book in a store of a Henry Rogers died 1903 so thought possibly this might be the one that was listed in the book. Sue 1/21/2012 4:34 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: > This is getting interesting. I wonder, however---his legal name was > William Henry Rogers and this one has a middle initial after > Henry.I've been sending Dan some information off the list on finding > records, etc., and he asked for contacts for the Sons of Union > Veterans which I gave him. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Sue Steward > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:24 PM > *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene > > > This is possibly the Henry Rogers you saw in the book but it > appears he was buried in a V. A. Cemetery. > > > Headstones Provided for Deceased Union Civil War Veterans, 1879-1903 > > Name: Henry J Rogers > State of Cemetery: California > Date of Death: 9 Apr 1903 > > > U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 > > Name: Henry F Rogers > Death Date: 9 Apr 1903 > Cemetery: Los Angeles National Cemetery > Cemetery Address: 950 South Sepulveda Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90049 > Buried At: Section 8 Row F Site 13 > > > On 1/21/2012 11:05 AM, Dan-M wrote: >> I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, >> there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with >> regular type print. >> It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, >> Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to >> Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find >> the money to get that book that store had closed and those books were >> gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry said >> 1903, was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a residence >> providing these old people hospice or what and where and who all >> those w words. >> I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? >> Dan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Linda Wiley >> *To:* or-roots mail list >> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >> >> Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War >> (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley. I emailed our Tent >> President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows >> you--you helped her with our webpage. I recognized our DUV >> wreath from the picture on find-a-grave. She verified it is CO >> F. Darleen provided good info in her post about the >> government-provided memorial stones. Sons of Union Veterans has >> an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that do >> not have a headstone. I think this national project started in >> 1996. There might be info in his CW records about the >> headstone. My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried >> in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just GAR on the >> stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if it >> was mentioned. Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Darlene >> >> *To:* or-roots mail list >> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >> >> Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and >> reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF >> >> I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is >> posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: >> From Ancestry.com -- >> Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the >> Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was Corporal, >> state served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin 44th >> Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in Lane >> County, OR. (Another record, not so complete, says rank in & >> rank out were both private). >> >> The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal >> Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery >> that I photographed, and then researched the individuals. There >> is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for >> deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that >> made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903. Since >> your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) in >> 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry >> record. In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 >> Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of >> 1904 is probably correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from >> the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more >> information there. >> >> Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 >> (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for >> invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) in >> Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 >> Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. >> 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. >> >> Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to contact. >> Darlene >> >> On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >>> But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >>> >>> >>> On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>>> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone says >>>> O.O.F. >>>> And its still a mystery. >>>> ;) >>>> Dan M >>>> >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> or-roots mailing list >> or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >> >> http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not >> responsible for content. >> Questions related to message content should be directed to list >> owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >> Technical questions? 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URL: From whitehillranch at centurytel.net Sat Jan 21 16:45:36 2012 From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Diane) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:45:36 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net><4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net><1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome><4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill> Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven up on? I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882. There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley. In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34. According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall. The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered! He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished filings. Thanks, Diane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at meritel.net Sat Jan 21 17:38:52 2012 From: PMML at meritel.net (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:38:52 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims In-Reply-To: <2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill> Message-ID: Long family is found in Linn Co 1910 cences. Know they were around Junction city area, and distant realitive of mine has alot of that info. Rita Leabo I am sure she wouln't mind your contact. I think she is on facebook. She just contacted me on facebook and I asked her for the info just waiting for a reply good luck On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Diane wrote: > ** > Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven up on? > I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the > Paisley cemetery in 1882. There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley. In > 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34. According to local > lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall. The > location of that building is yet to be rediscovered! He was age 51 in 1880 > census and from Ireland. > > My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally > filed upon? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished > filings. > > Thanks, Diane > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882.? There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley.? In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34.? According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall.? The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered!? He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. ? My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon?? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished filings.? ? Thanks, Diane _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitehillranch at centurytel.net Sat Jan 21 18:32:30 2012 From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Bob&Diane) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:32:30 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims Message-ID: <8ygtrjnfoypbw98hb32xaauw.1327199550479@email.android.com> I could not find him anywhere in the DLC records. I was wondering if there was a list for those that did not finish their claim application. Linda Wiley wrote: >I checked the Oregon DLC Inde (on Ancestry) and he wasn't among the Long's listed. > >? >f > >________________________________ >From: Diane >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:45 PM >Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims > > > >Is there a on-location where DLC's >were filed and then not proven? up on?? I am searching for Timothy >Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882.? >There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley.? In 1880 he and a George Pike >lived together in HH34/34.? According to local lore he was killed in what >for years was called Deadman's Hall.? The location of that building is yet >to be rediscovered!? He was age 51 in 1880 census and from >Ireland. >? >My main question is.....about the not >proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon?? The only ones I could find >in blmglo records were finished filings.? >? >Thanks, >Diane >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com Sat Jan 21 18:35:14 2012 From: DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com (Denise Sproed) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:35:14 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims In-Reply-To: <2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net><4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net><1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome><4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill> Message-ID: <007e01ccd8ae$78e144c0$6aa3ce40$@onlinenw.com> There is a book (Volume IV Genealogical Material in Oregon Donation Land Claims - Abstracted from Rejected Applications) that covers DLC's filed in Oregon City, Roseburg & The Dalles Land Offices) The index lists the following: Long, Catharine E. p 36 David p 3, 47 Daniel p 3 James p 7 Sarah Ann p 36 Nothing in that book for Timothy Long. I haven't researched the question to know if that is ALL of the incomplete DLC's. Denise Sproed A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists The web page I made for my parents is at: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Diane Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:46 PM To: or-roots mail list Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven up on? I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882. There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley. In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34. According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall. The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered! He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished filings. Thanks, Diane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Sat Jan 21 19:03:03 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 03:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims In-Reply-To: <8ygtrjnfoypbw98hb32xaauw.1327199550479@email.android.com> Message-ID: <1846632367.530585.1327201383230.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Check the Orego Gravestone project for photos of the Headstones of the Paisley Cemetery I posted a bunch a couple of years ago but do not remember off-hand that name but there may be other photos posted since then also look at the Summer Lake Cemetery. Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob&Diane" To: "Linda Wiley" , "or-roots mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:32:30 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Donation land claims I could not find him anywhere in the DLC records. I was wondering if there was a list for those that did not finish their claim application. Linda Wiley <oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com> wrote: I checked the Oregon DLC Inde (on Ancestry) and he wasn't among the Long's listed. ? f From: Diane To: or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven? up on?? I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882.? There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley.? In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34.? According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall.? The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered!? He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. ? My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon?? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished filings.? ? Thanks, Diane _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitehillranch at centurytel.net Sat Jan 21 19:09:15 2012 From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Bob&Diane) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:09:15 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims Message-ID: If the Lakeview DLC office was open, then the claim would have filed there. Thanks for looking. Denise Sproed wrote: >There is a book (Volume IV Genealogical Material in Oregon Donation Land >Claims - Abstracted from Rejected Applications) that covers DLC's filed in >Oregon City, Roseburg & The Dalles Land Offices) > > > >The index lists the following: > >Long, Catharine E. p 36 > >David p 3, 47 > >Daniel p 3 > >James p 7 > >Sarah Ann p 36 > > > >Nothing in that book for Timothy Long. > >I haven't researched the question to know if that is ALL of the incomplete >DLC's. > > > >Denise Sproed > >A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists > > > >The web page I made for my parents is at: > >http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ > > > >My genealogy related pages are at: > >http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ >and >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ >The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site > > > >User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) >http://www.whollygenes.com/ > > > >From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Diane >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:46 PM >To: or-roots mail list >Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims > > > >Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven up on? I >am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the >Paisley cemetery in 1882. There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley. In >1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34. According to local >lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall. The >location of that building is yet to be rediscovered! He was age 51 in 1880 >census and from Ireland. > > > >My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally >filed upon? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished >filings. > > > >Thanks, Diane > > >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitehillranch at centurytel.net Sat Jan 21 19:13:48 2012 From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Bob&Diane) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:13:48 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims Message-ID: I have an entry in the Paisley cemetery for a 'Long. I bet ole Tim is that entry. Will take a look at the website, Glenn. Thanks. Glen Jones wrote: > > >Check the Orego Gravestone project for photos of the Headstones of the Paisley Cemetery > >I posted a bunch a couple of years ago but do not remember off-hand that name but there > >may be other photos posted since then also look at the Summer Lake Cemetery. > >Glen Jones Portland > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bob&Diane" >To: "Linda Wiley" , "or-roots mail list" >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:32:30 PM >Subject: Re: [or-roots] Donation land claims > >I could not find him anywhere in the DLC records. I was wondering if there was a list for those that did not finish their claim application. > >Linda Wiley <oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >I checked the Oregon DLC Inde (on Ancestry) and he wasn't among the Long's listed. >? >f > > > >From: Diane >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:45 PM >Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims > > > > >Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven? up on?? I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882.? There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley.? In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34.? According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall.? The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered!? He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. >? >My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon?? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished filings.? >? >Thanks, Diane >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > >_____________________________________________________ >or-roots mailing list >or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >Technical questions? 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URL: From darlene at thecasteels.net Sat Jan 21 19:52:49 2012 From: darlene at thecasteels.net (Darlene) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:52:49 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <4F1B5B7C.7090306@ccountry.net> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4F1B5B7C.7090306@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <4F1B8811.5080000@thecasteels.net> If we go back through these messages, there is one (can't find it right now) where Dan referred to a memorial on the Find A Grave web site. It has a photo of Henry's grave stone, the name William Henry "Henry" Rogers, gives his date and place of birth, death in 1904 in Springfield, Lane Co., OR. It identifies his wife, and four children. It also has a picture of a post card sent to Gertie Brabham in Eugene (one of the children of Henry and Elizabeth) from "Father and Mother". The individual who created the memorial also has memorials for two of Henry & Elizabeth's children, with photos of obituaries, Elizabeth's death certificate, and a post card that Gertie wrote to her mother. The email address of the person who created the memorial is available on the Find A Grave page, and it seems to me that if she has that much family information, she may have more to offer if Dan were to contact her. For anyone on this list who wants to take a look, the address for Henry's memorial is: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=34106056 Also, with the information from the National Archives regarding Henry's Civil War service, which includes his location of death, combined with his widow's application for a pension in September, 1904, the issue of when he died, and where he is buried should be resolved. Seems to me that the only thing still lacking is Dan's question as to what company manufactured Henry's gravestone. On 1/21/2012 5:42 PM, Sue Steward wrote: > That's true about the name but he spoke of seeing something in a book > in a store of a Henry Rogers died 1903 so thought possibly this might > be the one that was listed in the book. > > Sue > > 1/21/2012 4:34 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: >> This is getting interesting. I wonder, however---his legal name was >> William Henry Rogers and this one has a middle initial after >> Henry.I've been sending Dan some information off the list on finding >> records, etc., and he asked for contacts for the Sons of Union >> Veterans which I gave him. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Sue Steward >> *To:* or-roots mail list >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:24 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >> >> >> This is possibly the Henry Rogers you saw in the book but it >> appears he was buried in a V. A. Cemetery. >> >> >> Headstones Provided for Deceased Union Civil War Veterans, 1879-1903 >> >> Name: Henry J Rogers >> State of Cemetery: California >> Date of Death: 9 Apr 1903 >> >> >> U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 >> >> Name: Henry F Rogers >> Death Date: 9 Apr 1903 >> Cemetery: Los Angeles National Cemetery >> Cemetery Address: 950 South Sepulveda Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90049 >> Buried At: Section 8 Row F Site 13 >> >> >> On 1/21/2012 11:05 AM, Dan-M wrote: >>> I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, >>> there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with >>> regular type print. >>> It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, >>> Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to >>> Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find >>> the money to get that book that store had closed and those books >>> were gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry >>> said 1903, was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a >>> residence providing these old people hospice or what and where and >>> who all those w words. >>> I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? >>> Dan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Linda Wiley >>> *To:* or-roots mail list >>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >>> >>> Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil >>> War (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley. I emailed our Tent >>> President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she knows >>> you--you helped her with our webpage. I recognized our DUV >>> wreath from the picture on find-a-grave. She verified it is CO >>> F. Darleen provided good info in her post about the >>> government-provided memorial stones. Sons of Union Veterans has >>> an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones that >>> do not have a headstone. I think this national project started >>> in 1996. There might be info in his CW records about the >>> headstone. My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, buried >>> in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just GAR on >>> the stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to see if >>> it was mentioned. Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Darlene >>> >>> *To:* or-roots mail list >>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM >>> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >>> >>> Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and >>> reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF >>> >>> I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is >>> posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: >>> From Ancestry.com -- >>> Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in the >>> Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was Corporal, >>> state served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, Wisconsin >>> 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun 1865, died in >>> Lane County, OR. (Another record, not so complete, says rank >>> in & rank out were both private). >>> >>> The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal >>> Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville Cemetery >>> that I photographed, and then researched the individuals. There >>> is a record on Ancestry that lists headsones provided for >>> deceased Union Civil War veterans, including the company that >>> made the marker, but it only includes the years 1879-1903. >>> Since your ancestor died (according to the Find A Grave record) >>> in 1904, he would have missed the years covered by the Ancestry >>> record. In your note on your web site, you state that the 1905 >>> Springfield census lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of >>> 1904 is probably correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from >>> the National Archives, so you might be able to learn more >>> information there. >>> >>> Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 >>> (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for >>> invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) >>> in Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 >>> Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. >>> 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. >>> >>> Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to >>> contact. >>> Darlene >>> >>> On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >>>> But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>>>> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone >>>>> says O.O.F. >>>>> And its still a mystery. >>>>> ;) >>>>> Dan M >>>>> >>> >>> _____________________________________________________ >>> or-roots mailing list >>> or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >>> >>> http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >>> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not >>> responsible for content. >>> Questions related to message content should be directed to list >>> owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >>> Technical questions? 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URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Sat Jan 21 20:00:12 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:00:12 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims In-Reply-To: <1327198892.96690.YahooMailNeo@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com> <53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome> <4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill> <1327198892.96690.YahooMailNeo@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Check for Mary Long who married John J. Leabo On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: > I checked the Oregon DLC Inde (on Ancestry) and he wasn't among the Long's > listed. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Diane > *To:* or-roots mail list > *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:45 PM > *Subject:* [or-roots] Donation land claims > > Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven up > on? I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried > in the Paisley cemetery in 1882. There is a Tim Long creek south of > Paisley. In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34. > According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called > Deadman's Hall. The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered! > He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. > > My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally > filed upon? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished > filings. > > Thanks, Diane > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From whitehillranch at centurytel.net Sat Jan 21 20:08:17 2012 From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Bob & Diane) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:08:17 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims In-Reply-To: References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net><1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome><4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net><1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><2BC0869B57F4480181A751B188BDBEAA@dianet1nyozill><1327198892.96690.YahooMailNeo@web112609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I doubt that he married. In the 1880 census he was a bachelor. Age 51. ----- Original Message ----- From: Marsha BradleyLuthy To: Linda Wiley ; or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Donation land claims Check for Mary Long who married John J. Leabo On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: I checked the Oregon DLC Inde (on Ancestry) and he wasn't among the Long's listed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Diane To: or-roots mail list Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: [or-roots] Donation land claims Is there a on-location where DLC's were filed and then not proven up on? I am searching for Timothy Long...who apparently died and was buried in the Paisley cemetery in 1882. There is a Tim Long creek south of Paisley. In 1880 he and a George Pike lived together in HH34/34. According to local lore he was killed in what for years was called Deadman's Hall. The location of that building is yet to be rediscovered! He was age 51 in 1880 census and from Ireland. My main question is.....about the not proven up DLC's but yet originally filed upon? The only ones I could find in blmglo records were finished filings. Thanks, Diane _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Sat Jan 21 20:49:38 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:49:38 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <4F1B8811.5080000@thecasteels.net> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4F1B5B7C.7090306@ccountry.net> <4F1B8811.5080000@thecasteels.net> Message-ID: <4F1B9562.9010409@ccountry.net> I think you are right, Darlene. If Dan checks out the references you gave him earlier: (Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 6 73293) in Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon.) he should be able to determine the actual date of death from Elizabeth's pension application. He can probably even find out from the National Archives who ordered the headstone, would assume it was Elizabeth, or maybe it was just a result of her notifying them of his death and they made the headstone. It really shouldn't matter what company manufactured the headstone. Veterans doesn't set the stone unless it is in a V.A. cemetery so probably someone in the family arranged for setting the stone. Older cemetery records being what they are, things were not always annotated in the records like we might like but you just have to move on. Sue On 1/21/2012 7:52 PM, Darlene wrote: > If we go back through these messages, there is one (can't find it > right now) where Dan referred to a memorial on the Find A Grave web > site. It has a photo of Henry's grave stone, the name William Henry > "Henry" Rogers, gives his date and place of birth, death in 1904 in > Springfield, Lane Co., OR. It identifies his wife, and four > children. It also has a picture of a post card sent to Gertie Brabham > in Eugene (one of the children of Henry and Elizabeth) from "Father > and Mother". The individual who created the memorial also has > memorials for two of Henry & Elizabeth's children, with photos of > obituaries, Elizabeth's death certificate, and a post card that Gertie > wrote to her mother. The email address of the person who created the > memorial is available on the Find A Grave page, and it seems to me > that if she has that much family information, she may have more to > offer if Dan were to contact her. For anyone on this list who wants > to take a look, the address for Henry's memorial is: > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=34106056 > > Also, with the information from the National Archives regarding > Henry's Civil War service, which includes his location of death, > combined with his widow's application for a pension in September, > 1904, the issue of when he died, and where he is buried should be > resolved. Seems to me that the only thing still lacking is Dan's > question as to what company manufactured Henry's gravestone. > > > On 1/21/2012 5:42 PM, Sue Steward wrote: >> That's true about the name but he spoke of seeing something in a book >> in a store of a Henry Rogers died 1903 so thought possibly this might >> be the one that was listed in the book. >> >> Sue >> >> 1/21/2012 4:34 PM, Linda Wiley wrote: >>> This is getting interesting. I wonder, however---his legal name was >>> William Henry Rogers and this one has a middle initial after >>> Henry.I've been sending Dan some information off the list on finding >>> records, etc., and he asked for contacts for the Sons of Union >>> Veterans which I gave him. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Sue Steward >>> *To:* or-roots mail list >>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:24 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >>> >>> >>> This is possibly the Henry Rogers you saw in the book but it >>> appears he was buried in a V. A. Cemetery. >>> >>> >>> Headstones Provided for Deceased Union Civil War Veterans, 1879-1903 >>> >>> Name: Henry J Rogers >>> State of Cemetery: California >>> Date of Death: 9 Apr 1903 >>> >>> >>> U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006 >>> >>> Name: Henry F Rogers >>> Death Date: 9 Apr 1903 >>> Cemetery: Los Angeles National Cemetery >>> Cemetery Address: 950 South Sepulveda Boulevard Los Angeles, CA 90049 >>> Buried At: Section 8 Row F Site 13 >>> >>> >>> On 1/21/2012 11:05 AM, Dan-M wrote: >>>> I was at the book store before it became a feed store in Stayton, >>>> there was a green book about 1 inch thick and 10x12 in size with >>>> regular type print. >>>> It was an old soldiers book, price 95. dollars, I saw in there, >>>> Henry Rogers died in an old soldiers home in CA and was moved to >>>> Oregon. This is what? About 10 or so years ago, before I could find >>>> the money to get that book that store had closed and those books >>>> were gone. I was wondering, just where if even that was my Henry >>>> said 1903, was that old soldiers home? Might just have been a >>>> residence providing these old people hospice or what and where and >>>> who all those w words. >>>> I was also wondering, is there a guy version of DUV? >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Linda Wiley >>>> *To:* or-roots mail list >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 11:11 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >>>> >>>> Dan, I belong to the daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil >>>> War (DUV), Tent #2, South Willamette Valley. I emailed our >>>> Tent President, Carolyn Hall, for some info and turns out she >>>> knows you--you helped her with our webpage. I recognized our >>>> DUV wreath from the picture on find-a-grave. She verified it >>>> is CO F. Darleen provided good info in her post about the >>>> government-provided memorial stones. Sons of Union Veterans >>>> has an active project to seek out un-recognized CW vets--ones >>>> that do not have a headstone. I think this national project >>>> started in 1996. There might be info in his CW records about >>>> the headstone. My great grandfather, a CW vet, died in 1916, >>>> buried in Albany, and does not have a government marker--just >>>> GAR on the stone provided by his family, so I couldn't check to >>>> see if it was mentioned. Linda Wiley, Sublimity, OR >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Darlene >>>> >>>> *To:* or-roots mail list >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2012 9:15 AM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene >>>> >>>> Sue is correct. It is a Civil War military grave stone, and >>>> reads CO. F, 44 WIS. INF >>>> >>>> I don't know what you have on Henry Rogers other than what is >>>> posted on your web site, but here is what I have found: >>>> From Ancestry.com -- >>>> Henry Rogers, resident of St Lawrence, Wisconsin enlisted in >>>> the Union army on 15 Oct 1864. Rank at enlistment was >>>> Corporal, state served Wisconsin. He enlisted in Company F, >>>> Wisconsin 44th Infantry Regiment, was mustered out on 03 Jun >>>> 1865, died in Lane County, OR. (Another record, not so >>>> complete, says rank in & rank out were both private). >>>> >>>> The grave marker was (apparently) provided by the Federal >>>> Government. It is the same as many in the Jacksonville >>>> Cemetery that I photographed, and then researched the >>>> individuals. There is a record on Ancestry that lists >>>> headsones provided for deceased Union Civil War veterans, >>>> including the company that made the marker, but it only >>>> includes the years 1879-1903. Since your ancestor died >>>> (according to the Find A Grave record) in 1904, he would have >>>> missed the years covered by the Ancestry record. In your note >>>> on your web site, you state that the 1905 Springfield census >>>> lists Elizabeth as a widow, so death date of 1904 is probably >>>> correct. The record posted on Ancestry is from the National >>>> Archives, so you might be able to learn more information there. >>>> >>>> Also from Ancestry, from the National Archives: On August 4 >>>> (could be 21 -- hard to read), 1890, Henry Rogers filed for >>>> invalid's pension (Application No. 932645, Certiricate 673293) >>>> in Minnesota. Service was F. 44. Wis. Inf. On Sep 6, 1904 >>>> Elizabeth M Rogers filed for widow's pension (Application No. >>>> 813103, Certificate No. 583574) in Oregon. >>>> >>>> Hope this gives you some answers (?), and further sources to >>>> contact. >>>> Darlene >>>> >>>> On 1/20/2012 8:47 AM, Sue Steward wrote: >>>>> But the stone doesn't say O.O.F., it says CO F for Company F. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 1/19/2012 9:27 PM, Dan JM wrote: >>>>>> I hope by now every one has seen the pic of the head stone >>>>>> says O.O.F. >>>>>> And its still a mystery. >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> Dan M >>>>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________________________ >>>> or-roots mailing list >>>> or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >>>> >>>> http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >>>> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not >>>> responsible for content. >>>> Questions related to message content should be directed to list >>>> owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >>>> Technical questions? 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URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Sun Jan 22 11:16:19 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:16:19 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Headstone Laural hill Eugene In-Reply-To: <4F1B9562.9010409@ccountry.net> References: <1167b.60c61c29.3c406748@aol.com><53E09BB689B8430A94DDB67875A3169A@AroundHome><4F198C84.5030604@ccountry.net> <4F19A13F.5000307@thecasteels.net> <1327086719.65577.YahooMailNeo@web112617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <777D7D5543ED402B85F0B3E07285B384@AroundHome> <4F1B3B0A.6040209@ccountry.net> <1327192463.94130.YahooMailNeo@web112613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4F1B5B7C.7090306@ccountry.net> <4F1B8811.5080000@thecasteels.net> <4F1B9562.9010409@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <00cc01ccd93a$51e5d890$f5b189b0$@net> Fold3 has the pension index. One is: Publication Number: T289 Publication Title: Organization Index to Pension Files of Veterans Who Served Between 1861 and 1900. Publisher: NARA National Archives Catalog ID: 2588825 National Archives Catalog Title: Organization Index to Pension Files of Veterans Who Served Between 1861 and 1900, compiled 1949 - 1949, documenting the period 1861 - 1942 Record Group: 15 Short Description: NARA T289. Pension applications for service in the US Army between 1861 and 1900, grouped according to the units in which the veterans served. Collection Title: Civil War Pensions State: Wisconsin Arm Of Service: Infantry Regiment: 44 Company: F Name: Rogers, Henry Rank: [Blank] Date: 28-AUG-1890 State/Arm Of Service: [Null] Company/Regiment: [Null] Roll Number: 621 The date of filing is next to the "Invalid" Application No. 932645, certificate number 673293 The Widow application (undated) is 813103, certificate 853374 The "died" date is blank. Somewhere there must be more information. IF he died in California, it is possible that he is buried there, and the marker in Oregon is a "cenotaph". Maybe this will help? Following Congress' suggestion, members of the Board traveled to San Francisco by train in the fall of 1887. Once in California, they visited some of the more than seventy sites vying for the location of the Pacific Branch, including Monterey, Santa Cruz, Santa Barbara and San Bernardino. Initial balloting on the return trip showed that Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, Oakland, San Diego, and Monterey were the front-runners. The Board reconvened in Las Vegas to accept propositions from the various communities and accepted an offer from private citizens for a significant amount of cash and acreage near the booming town of Los Angeles and a burgeoning community at Santa Monica. The Pacific branch opened in 1888 and within the year held a hospital, barracks, and mess hall and a National Cemetery.52 52 Proceedings of the Board of Managers Of the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers, April 19, 1887, p. 127; Proceedings of the Board of Managers of the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers, September 10, 1887, pp. 154-167. There is a National Cemetery today at the San Diego Freeway (405) in Westwood. There is a Henry Rogers, but it is Henry F, who was with the 21st Ill Inf. He died, however, 9 Apr 1903, which may be serving to confuse the issue here. There is also a National Cemetery in Roseburg, Oregon: "Roseburg National Cemetery was established in 1897 to serve veterans residing at the Oregon State Soldiers' home. The Oregon Soldiers' Home itself opened in 1893 to "provide a home for honorably discharged soldiers, sailors and marines who had served in any wars in which the United States was engaged, or who served in the Indian Wars of Oregon, Washington or Idaho, provided they were or might become citizens of Oregon." However, there is no matching Henry Rogers in the National Cemeteries grave locator. I think the local mortuaries would be the next step here, absent a death certificate. Nothing appears on the Oregon Archives, nor on the Washington State Archives. 'Tis indeed a mystery! Pat In Tucson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 15:54:29 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:54:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <8CEA5D75FB6C1CF-1F3C-C6B3@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I came close to what you are probably looking for; http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html? This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live some where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. Les Chapman --- On Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com wrote: From: rowriver at aol.com Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... Thanks for any assistance. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Wed Jan 25 16:54:42 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:54:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEA9DC392BD4FF-271C-57CA0@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 I came close to what you are probably looking for; http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live some where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. Les Chapman --- On Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com wrote: From: rowriver at aol.com Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... Thanks for any assistance. Stephen _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:01:47 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:01:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327539707.11959.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Before I ditched the search that got me the page I posted earlier I thought I would browse a bit more to see what I could find, good thing I did, not sure why this was not on the blue Book page; Hi Yes the Waverly Baby home was there. I hope you have better luck then I did. The home was started in 1887. It is now called the Waverly Childrens Home. Although they do not do adoptions any more from what I understand, they still have all the old records. But for the early 1920's there is not much to go on. They do have a little. You can contact them at..... Waverly Children's Home? 3550 SE Woodward Street Portland, OR 97202 Toni Swope (503) 234-7532 You will need to have some records such as your birth certificate and any record that will connect you to him for proof of family. Just call Toni she is great to work with. that info comes from; http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1&p=topics.orphans.us.or?? and there is some other discussion there that it would probably be useful for you to read and some other people with the same search goals.* ? ? ? ? ?* ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? * ? ? ? ? ? ? ?*? Here is another one not on that list, perhaps because it wasn't around in 1929; Grace?& Hope for Children - 465 N.E.?181st?#210? http://www.grace-hope.org/ Not directly apropos of your quest, but relevant to the topic; http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Me-Pa/Orphanages.html * ? ?* ? ?* ? ?*Okay there is a mystery story that I suspect is part of the genealogy of another member of the list, but the links are all dead now and I don't remember who is researching these names;louella brunner pinder parrett ? ? ? ? ? the point being a mystery ?ancestor About all I could find, will search google books in a bit to see if I find anything else. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:07:50 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:07:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Oregon orphanage enabling act of 1920 In-Reply-To: <1327539707.11959.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327540070.85586.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Appropriating money for the support of homeless, neglected and abused children, foundlings and indigent orphans under the age of 17 years cared for by benevolent and charitable institutions in Oregon; for the support of wayward girls, care of maternity and venereal cases; for aid of the Florence Crittendon Home at Portland; for securing and installing a safe in the office of the state treasurer; for premiums on surety bonds of clerks, etc., in the office of the state treasurer; for rebuilding, repairing and improving stock buildings on the grounds of the Oregon state fair at Salem, and declaring an emergency.Be It Enacted by the People of the State of Oregon:Section 1. The following sums, or so much thereof as may be necessary, and no more, are hereby appropriated out of the moneys in the general fund in the state treasury, not otherwise appropriated, for the several objects and purposes hereinafter named for the two years commencing on the first day of January, 1919, and ending on the thirty-first day of December, 1920, viz:For the support of homeless, neglected and abused children, foundlings, and indigent orphans, under the age of seventeen years, now cared for or who may hereafter be cared for by benevolent or charitable institutions in this state, under and pursuant to the provisions of chapter 300, general laws of Oregon 1913, and acts amendatory thereof, in addition to the amount appropriated under chapter 202, general laws of Oregon 1919, for such purposes ........................................................ ..$33,500.00 For the support of wayward girls between the ages ~ of twelve and eighteen years, and care of maternity and venereal cases under the age of twentyone years by charitable or corrective institutionsreceiving state aid under the provisions of chapter 362, general laws of Oregon 1913, and actsamendatory thereon in addition to the amountappropriated under chapter 202, general laws ofOregon 1919, for such purposes .......................... -- 7,000.00 For aid of Florence Crittendon home at Portland,Oregon, one-fourth (1/-.) payable quarterly on thelast day of March, June, September and December in the year 1920, upon the execution and filing in the office of the secretary of state of dulyverified vouchers therefor as required by law, inaddition to the amount appropriated under chapter 400, general laws of Oregon 1919, for the aidof such institution __________________________________________________ __ 2,000.00 ?For the purchase and installation of an adequateand appropriate safe in the office of the statetreasurer ................................................................ .. 5,000.00 For the. payment of premiums on surety bonds ofclerks and employes in the office of the statetreasurer and for payment of premiums on burglary, robbery and hold-up insurance in the officeof the state treasurer ............................................ .. 500.00 For the purpose of aiding in the rebuilding, repairing and improving stock buildings on the groundsof the Oregon state fair at Salem, includingmaterials and labor necessary in performing the 'same ....... ............................................................... ._ 10,000.00Section 2. The secretary of state is hereby authorized and directed to audit all duly approved claims which have been incurred in pursuance of law and the foregoing appropriations and to draw his warrants on the state treasurer in payment thereof, out of the respective appropriations from which the same may be determined or directed to be payable.Section 3. It is hereby adjudged and declared that existing conditions are such that this act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety; and, owing to the urgent necessity of maintaining the public credit, an emergency is hereby declared to exist, and this act shall take effect and be in full force and effect from and after its approval by the governor.Approved by the governor January 20, 1920.?Filed in the office of the secretary of state January 21, 1920.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 25 17:40:47 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:40:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEA9DC392BD4FF-271C-57CA0@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories?lately?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Wed Jan 25 18:34:32 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 02:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <8CEA9DC392BD4FF-271C-57CA0@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Les and Stephen Just for interest I have old photos of Diston Oregon also of the railroad bridge being built accross the Row River, my grandfather was a logger at D iston in 1910. I have cousins still in Cottage Grove. Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:54:42 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 I came close to what you are probably looking for; http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html ? This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live some where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. Les Chapman --- On Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com < rowriver at aol.com > wrote: From: rowriver at aol.com < rowriver at aol.com > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... Thanks for any assistance. Stephen _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Wed Jan 25 18:53:33 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:53:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEA9ECD3AB1380-271C-58E70@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Wed Jan 25 19:00:36 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:00:36 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <1327539707.11959.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1327539707.11959.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: a clue, a few years ago tried to research adoptions. I found at the archives there was books of all judges work and they were required to validate all cases. So adoptions were listed in that book with all other cases. If you know approxamite date of adoptio you can track it in that manner ? hope that helps On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > Before I ditched the search that got me the page I posted earlier I > thought I would browse a bit more to see what I could find, good thing I > did, not sure why this was not on the blue Book page; > > Hi Yes the Waverly Baby home was there. I hope you have better luck then I > did. The home was started in 1887. It is now called the Waverly Childrens > Home. Although they do not do adoptions any more from what I understand, > they still have all the old records. But for the early 1920's there is not > much to go on. They do have a little. You can contact them at..... > Waverly Children's Home > 3550 SE Woodward Street > Portland, OR 97202 > Toni Swope > (503) 234-7532 > You will need to have some records such as your birth certificate and any > record that will connect you to him for proof of family. Just call Toni she > is great to work with. > > that info comes from; > > http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1&p=topics.orphans.us.or > > > and there is some other discussion there that it would probably be useful > for you to read and some other people with the same search goals. > * * * * > > Here is another one not on that list, perhaps because it wasn't around in > 1929; > > Grace & Hope for Children - 465 N.E. 181st #210 > http://www.grace-hope.org/ > > Not directly apropos of your quest, but relevant to the topic; > > http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Me-Pa/Orphanages.html > > * * * * > Okay there is a mystery story that I suspect is part of the genealogy of > another member of the list, but the links are all dead now and I don't > remember who is researching these names; > louella brunner pinder parrett the point being a mystery > ancestor > > About all I could find, will search google books in a bit to see if I find > anything else. > > Les C > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Wed Jan 25 20:42:55 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:42:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: References: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1327539707.11959.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEA9FC1AFF16FB-271C-5A054@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Marsha, There was no adoption in this case however. After he was placed, my dad's grandmother came and got him from whatever orphanage he was in and raised him until he was 8 or 9. At that time he went back to live with his father and stepmother. I do not know if he was placed by his father or his mother's family after she died in 1922. I suspect it was his mother's family since mothers usually have the children and his dad had abandoned her when she became ill in 1921. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Marsha BradleyLuthy To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 a clue, a few years ago tried to research adoptions. I found at the archives there was books of all judges work and they were required to validate all cases. So adoptions were listed in that book with all other cases. If you know approxamite date of adoptio you can track it in that manner ? hope that helps On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: Before I ditched the search that got me the page I posted earlier I thought I would browse a bit more to see what I could find, good thing I did, not sure why this was not on the blue Book page; Hi Yes the Waverly Baby home was there. I hope you have better luck then I did. The home was started in 1887. It is now called the Waverly Childrens Home. Although they do not do adoptions any more from what I understand, they still have all the old records. But for the early 1920's there is not much to go on. They do have a little. You can contact them at..... Waverly Children's Home 3550 SE Woodward Street Portland, OR 97202 Toni Swope (503) 234-7532 You will need to have some records such as your birth certificate and any record that will connect you to him for proof of family. Just call Toni she is great to work with. that info comes from; http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1&p=topics.orphans.us.or and there is some other discussion there that it would probably be useful for you to read and some other people with the same search goals. * * * * Here is another one not on that list, perhaps because it wasn't around in 1929; Grace & Hope for Children - 465 N.E. 181st #210 http://www.grace-hope.org/ Not directly apropos of your quest, but relevant to the topic; http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Me-Pa/Orphanages.html * * * * Okay there is a mystery story that I suspect is part of the genealogy of another member of the list, but the links are all dead now and I don't remember who is researching these names; louella brunner pinder parrett the point being a mystery ancestor About all I could find, will search google books in a bit to see if I find anything else. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Wed Jan 25 22:52:21 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:52:21 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <8CEA9FC1AFF16FB-271C-5A054@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <1327535669.91737.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1327539707.11959.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CEA9FC1AFF16FB-271C-5A054@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about state agency records, or sheriff On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:42 PM, wrote: > Thanks Marsha, > There was no adoption in this case however. After he was placed, my dad's > grandmother came and got him from whatever orphanage he was in and raised > him until he was 8 or 9. At that time he went back to live with his father > and stepmother. > I do not know if he was placed by his father or his mother's family after > she died in 1922. I suspect it was his mother's family since mothers > usually have the children and his dad had abandoned her when she became ill > in 1921. > Stephen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha BradleyLuthy > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 7:00 pm > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > a clue, a few years ago tried to research adoptions. I found at the > archives there was books of all judges work and they were required to > validate all cases. So adoptions were listed in that book with all other > cases. If you know approxamite date of adoptio you can track it > in that manner ? hope that helps > > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > >> Before I ditched the search that got me the page I posted earlier I >> thought I would browse a bit more to see what I could find, good thing I >> did, not sure why this was not on the blue Book page; >> >> Hi Yes the Waverly Baby home was there. I hope you have better luck >> then I did. The home was started in 1887. It is now called the Waverly >> Childrens Home. Although they do not do adoptions any more from what I >> understand, they still have all the old records. But for the early 1920's >> there is not much to go on. They do have a little. You can contact them >> at..... >> Waverly Children's Home >> 3550 SE Woodward Street >> Portland, OR 97202 >> Toni Swope >> (503) 234-7532 >> You will need to have some records such as your birth certificate and any >> record that will connect you to him for proof of family. Just call Toni she >> is great to work with. >> >> that info comes from; >> >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1&p=topics.orphans.us.or >> >> >> and there is some other discussion there that it would probably be >> useful for you to read and some other people with the same search goals. >> * * * * >> >> Here is another one not on that list, perhaps because it wasn't around >> in 1929; >> >> Grace & Hope for Children - 465 N.E. 181st #210 >> http://www.grace-hope.org/ >> >> Not directly apropos of your quest, but relevant to the topic; >> >> http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Me-Pa/Orphanages.html >> >> * * * * >> Okay there is a mystery story that I suspect is part of the genealogy of >> another member of the list, but the links are all dead now and I don't >> remember who is researching these names; >> louella brunner pinder parrett the point being a mystery >> ancestor >> >> About all I could find, will search google books in a bit to see if I >> find anything else. >> >> Les C >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> or-roots mailing list >> or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >> http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for >> content. >> Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) >> or the sender of the message, by phone or email. >> Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. >> >> > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the > sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daleharguess4 at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 09:26:15 2012 From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:26:15 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CEA9DC392BD4FF-271C-57CA0@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: once again you folks have peeked my interest. I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame. My grandmother was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is where she met my grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging camp. I have a photo of some of the loggers standing in the camp near a building but can't identify it. It is one of those old wide, about 12 inches wide by about 3-1/2 inches tall. I have several of those old photos from the time frame of about 1910 to 1920. I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there is any information about it. Dale in California On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something > in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such > tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name > too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock > each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and > dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? > > Les C > > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM > > Hi Les, > > Thank you for the information. I will check this link. > > Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live > somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. > In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and > in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is > Row River.... > > Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have > heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being > called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg > grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. > > If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. > > Stephen Clark > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From royblaine at msn.com Thu Jan 26 09:39:48 2012 From: royblaine at msn.com (Roy Blaine) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:39:48 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEA9ECD3AB1380-271C-58E70@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CEA9ECD3AB1380-271C-58E70@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: > Les, > > That's one I had not heard. > > The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: > > > In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. > > These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. > > At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. > > Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. > > The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. > > George Clark was my ggg grandfather. > > > So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. > > > Stephen > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leslie Chapman > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm > Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row > > Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? > > Les C > > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM > > Hi Les, > > Thank you for the information. I will check this link. > > Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. > In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... > > Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. > > If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. > > Stephen Clark > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the > sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From l.horine at comcast.net Thu Jan 26 09:45:45 2012 From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1440175025.209068.1327599945067.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'm new to the list but have been fascinated by the wealth of information you all have - and also by the gentle kindness of those who populate this list! My maternal grandfather had a logging operation and a Mill on Turner Creek in North Yamhill County in the 1909-1917 period and we have some marvelous stories of the cook - don't know that they had a male cook, but the woman who cooked there packed loaves of bread into a large kettle to move to Heppner - and found at the end of the journey that she'd packed a mouse as well. Let's just say the mouse wasn't hungry at the end of the trip! There were also lots of timber operations in Clackamas County around that time. Granddad came from Minnesota ( I think he and Paul Bunyan had logged the Great North Woods and had to come to Oregon to find more trees) in 1905 for the Lewis and Clark Exposition, and then he and several of his logging partners from MN moved to Oregon by 1907 to log in the Coast Range - Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Harguess" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:26:15 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row once again you folks have peeked my interest. I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame. My grandmother was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is where she met my grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging camp. I have a photo of some of the loggers standing in the camp near a building but can't identify it. It is one of those old wide, about 12 inches wide by about 3-1/2 inches tall. I have several of those old photos from the time frame of about 1910 to 1920. I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there is any information about it. Dale in California On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > wrote: Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800 .
_____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From royblaine at msn.com Thu Jan 26 09:47:14 2012 From: royblaine at msn.com (Roy Blaine) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:47:14 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Mr. Jones, My family, too, were loggers in the "Greater" Cottage Grove area from the 1880s on. Contact me offline if you are interested in some pictures of old mills and logging op from those days in Lynx Hollow, etc. Owens, Wheeler, Darnell, mainly. Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:34 PM, "Glen Jones" wrote: > Les and Stephen > > Just for interest I have old photos of Diston Oregon also of the railroad bridge being > > built accross the Row River, my grandfather was a logger at Diston in 1910. > > I have cousins still in Cottage Grove. > > > > Glen Jones Portland > > > > > From: rowriver at aol.com > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:54:42 PM > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > Hi Les, > > Thank you for the information. I will check this link. > > Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. > In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... > > Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. > > If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. > > Stephen Clark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leslie Chapman > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm > Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > I came close to what you are probably looking for; > > http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html > > This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. > > I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live some where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. > > Les Chapman > > --- On Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com wrote: > > From: rowriver at aol.com > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Stephen > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the > sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Thu Jan 26 09:51:13 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:51:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: References: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><8CEA9ECD3AB1380-271C-58E70@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEAA6A3A7E402B-271C-62C28@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Thu Jan 26 11:26:27 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:26:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <94589138.761579.1327605987802.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Dale and Roy There were a number of logging camps in the Portland Area mainly in the Coast Range and in The C ascade Foothills. I do not remember the names of the books offhand but there are a number of books about logging in Oregon. I kick myself to this day for not recording some of the Stories my Mother and Her Sister's used to tell as they worked as cooks and waitress's in a number of the Camps, my Mother went through two of the Tillamook burns At Elise and Lee's Camp. I have photos of Diston Oregon when it was a logging camp also have photos of Logging in the Dallas Area. Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Harguess" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:26:15 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row once again you folks have peeked my interest.? I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame.? My grandmother was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is where she met my grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging camp.? I have a photo of some of the loggers standing in the camp near a building but can't identify it.? It is one of those old wide, about 12 inches wide by about 3-1/2 inches tall.? I have several of those old photos from the time frame of about 1910 to 1920. I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there is any information about it. Dale in California On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > wrote: Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800 .
_____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Thu Jan 26 14:07:00 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAA6A3A7E402B-271C-62C28@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <229202254.770912.1327615620474.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Stephen Have you checked with the Cott age Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row R oy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the " Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: L es, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
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URL: From rowriver at aol.com Thu Jan 26 14:20:10 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:20:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <229202254.770912.1327615620474.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <229202254.770912.1327615620474.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEAA8FCCA18A8E-271C-66035@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Thu Jan 26 15:28:45 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAA8FCCA18A8E-271C-66035@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1988172734.774961.1327620525244.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Tha nks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. ? Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ? ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row R oy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the " Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine < royblaine at msn.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: L es, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
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URL: From wm0g at comcast.net Thu Jan 26 17:01:24 2012 From: wm0g at comcast.net (wm0g at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1988172734.774961.1327620525244.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1321089727.89821.1327626084554.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> List, ? My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth?was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot?and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols?worked?on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. ? Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Tha nks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. ? Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ? ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row R oy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the " Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine < royblaine at msn.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: L es, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
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URL: From rowriver at aol.com Thu Jan 26 17:20:58 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:20:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1321089727.89821.1327626084554.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1321089727.89821.1327626084554.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEAAA90F02EE48-271C-67A4B@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From konajo37 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 26 17:24:50 2012 From: konajo37 at hotmail.com (Joanne Broadhurst) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:24:50 -1000 Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1321089727.89821.1327626084554.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1988172734.774961.1327620525244.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1321089727.89821.1327626084554.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Would that be the Bill Hanley Double O or Bell A ranch around Burns or antoher Hanley ranch. The Hanleys of Jacksonville are kin. Some also settled in Eastern Oregon. Joanne Broadhurst Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:01:24 +0000 From: wm0g at comcast.net To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or..us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com Thu Jan 26 21:35:04 2012 From: DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com (Denise Sproed) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:35:04 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Enjoyed Row River Row Message-ID: <009b01ccdcb5$6c2c5de0$448519a0$@onlinenw.com> I enjoyed the colorful story. Thanks for sharing Stephen. Denise A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists The web page I made for my parents is at: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site User of The Master Genealogist (TMG) http://www.whollygenes.com/ From: rowriver at aol.com Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com Thu Jan 26 21:41:43 2012 From: DeniseSproed at onlinenw.com (Denise Sproed) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:41:43 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] George Clark in The Oregonian Message-ID: <00a901ccdcb6$5a63f2c0$0f2bd840$@onlinenw.com> The story was fascinating so a quick check of The Oregonian in 1868 finds: 31 Mar 1868 pg 2 "On Friday last, as we learn by the Eugene Journal, George Clark and John Southwell of Lane county concluded to settle a personal difficulty with rifles, which resulted in the instant killing of the former. The Journal is unable to give particulars." The Eugene Journal may later have had more details but this one article was what showed up in Genealogy Bank.com for 1868 & George Clark. Denise A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wm0g at comcast.net Thu Jan 26 22:07:53 2012 From: wm0g at comcast.net (wm0g at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAAA90F02EE48-271C-67A4B@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and?farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 187 0's . His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Y es I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged.? I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, ? My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth?was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot?and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols?worked?on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. ? Jack Ciaccia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Jones" < glenkc7mbm at comcast.net > To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. ? Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Tha nks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones < glenkc7mbm at comcast.net > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. ? Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ? ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row R oy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the " Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine < royblaine at msn.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: L es, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
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I tried to find something in the Eugene Journal at the U of Oregon archives but they did not have the film for the dates in question. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Denise Sproed To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:42 pm Subject: [or-roots] George Clark in The Oregonian The story was fascinating so a quick check of The Oregonian in 1868 finds: 31 Mar 1868 pg 2 ?On Friday last, as we learn by the Eugene Journal, George Clark and John Southwell of Lane county concluded to settle a personal difficulty with rifles, which resulted in the instant killing of the former. The Journal is unable to give particulars.? The Eugene Journal may later have had more details but this one article was what showed up in Genealogy Bank.com for 1868 & George Clark. Denise A member of the Association of Professional Genealogists http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Thu Jan 26 22:17:02 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:17:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From royblaine at msn.com Thu Jan 26 22:57:41 2012 From: royblaine at msn.com (Roy Blaine) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 22:57:41 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAA6A3A7E402B-271C-62C28@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <1327542047.55678.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CEA9ECD3AB1380-271C-58E70@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <8CEAA6A3A7E402B-271C-62C28@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Let me do a little digging, but I suspect you are correct. Forgive the unintended pun. Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2012, at 9:51 AM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: > Roy, > > I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." > > Do you know anything about this statement in the book. > > Stephen Clark > ggg grandson of George Clark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Blaine > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > > My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. > > - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} > > Roy Blaine > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: > >> Les, >> >> That's one I had not heard. >> >> The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: >> >> >> In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. >> >> These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. >> >> At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. >> >> Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. >> >> The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. >> >> George Clark was my ggg grandfather. >> >> >> So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. >> >> >> Stephen >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leslie Chapman >> To: or-roots mail list >> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm >> Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row >> >> Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? >> >> Les C >> >> To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM >> >> Hi Les, >> >> Thank you for the information. I will check this link. >> >> Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. >> In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... >> >> Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. >> >> If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. >> >> Stephen Clark >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> or-roots mailing list >> or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >> http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. >> Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the >> sender of the message, by phone or email. >> Technical questions? 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URL: From lechevrier at q.com Thu Jan 26 23:11:18 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:11:18 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Coyotes in the Kitchen In-Reply-To: <00a901ccdcb6$5a63f2c0$0f2bd840$@onlinenw.com> References: <00a901ccdcb6$5a63f2c0$0f2bd840$@onlinenw.com> Message-ID: <4F224E16.7090503@q.com> Only one animal was injured during these events, and his name is Terry Stein (Nettie's husband) Seems about 3am this morning,Terry got up 'cause he heard some noises, like dogs barking, or maybe it was his dog wanting out. Unfortunately, the details are not overly clear, but suffice it to say, there was an "incident" in the kitchen. Nettie reports waking up wondering why there were coyotes howling in her kitchen. On her way to check this odd scenario out, she stumbles upon a large shaggy beast moaning about on the kitchen floor. Yes, somehow Terry had fallen and broken his leg. This tale was relayed to me by Terry himself, Nettie, and their daughter Heather, in Terry's room at Willamette Falls Hospital in Oregon City, shortly before Terry was wheeled away for surgery about 5pm this evening. His right femur is broken a couple inches down from the head, according to the x-rays. His chief complaint was no food nor water prior to surgery, not the discomfort. All were in good spirits, choosing to "make lemonade" when handed a basket of lemons. I have no other details, like who is tending the critters at Eden Hill, results of surgery, etc, but now you know why that darned big coyote was howling in Nettie's kitchen. Bill Strickland From opera_70 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 23:14:11 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:14:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1327648451.63105.YahooMailClassic@web160902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am pretty sure your version is the correct one regarding the name. The Bucket of Blood story may not have included anything about that being the origin of the name and my memory may just have confused the stories. Possibly something was said about the River "living up to it's name" as the story was from a video history put together by someone from the CG area which was focused on his father if I recall that part right. Wish I could remember more as I suspect the video might be online. I am sure it is available for purchase as are a couple of other things all of you with Cottage Grove roots might be interested in.? Last year sometime there was an airing of a video made from film taken by the movie theater owner from Cottage Grove in the 1930's up to maybe even after the war? If interested contact the Historical Society and I think they can tell you where to find them, or maybe they have them?? Memory is real bad these days As to the grave site I have asked my little brother who is in the Historical society to see if he can come up with any information. that would help. About the Corps, first off here is a link that might get you somewhere; http://www.corpslibrary.com/ Also Contacting our District office might get you somewhere, one of the things I asked little brother was whether the Corps would have been obliged to move George if his grave was in the lake bed. It seems to me they would have, unless nobody thought to tell them it was there? US Army Engineer District, Portland?333 SW First Avenue, Tenth Floor, Portland, OR 97204-3495503-808-4510 Les C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 23:14:15 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:14:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1327648455.1030.YahooMailNeo@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Stephen, what company were your Clark family in on the 1851 train?? I hadn't heard about that massacre--my 2nd gr grandparents, Denny & Pernina Parrish McClure came in 1851--in the Hardin Company.? They settled in Linn County.? Pernina's father, Edward Evans Parrish and family came in 1844--saw that year mentioned in the listing on www.oregonpioneers.com.?? They settled near Jefferson in Marion County. Linda McClure Wiley ? ________________________________ From: "rowriver at aol.com" To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting.? Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with.? My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853."? The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, ? Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and?farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO ________________________________ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged.? I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, ? My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth?was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot?and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols?worked?on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. ? Jack Ciaccia ________________________________ From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. ? Glen Jones Portland ________________________________ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. ? Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ? ________________________________ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, > >That's one I had not heard. > >The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: > > > >In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. > >These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. > >At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. > >Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. > >The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. > >George Clark was my ggg grandfather. > > >So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. > > >Stephen > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Leslie Chapman >To: or-roots mail list >Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm >Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row > > >Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories?lately?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? > > >Les C > > >To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >>Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM >> >> >>HiLes, >> >>Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. >> >>Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. >>In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... >> >>Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. >> >>If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. >> >>Stephen Clark >> >> >> >_____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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URL: From lechevrier at q.com Thu Jan 26 23:21:55 2012 From: lechevrier at q.com (Bill & Chris Strickland) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:21:55 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row - Nichols In-Reply-To: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4F225093.5030300@q.com> On 1/26/2012 10:07 PM, wm0g at comcast.net wrote: > ... , my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, > Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL > in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. > His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few > homesteads away on the county line. Jack -- Do you know if your George A Nichols is related to Helen Minnie Nichols, b 26 July 1909, who married Howard Winston Combs in Medford on 2 Apr 1930? Howard is a first cousin, once removed. 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Les --- On Thu, 1/26/12, Bill & Chris Strickland wrote: From: Bill & Chris Strickland Subject: Re: [or-roots] Coyotes in the Kitchen To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 11:39 PM No idea how this went to the genealogy list, was supposed to have gone elsewhere -- Sorry,? Bill _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wm0g at comcast.net Fri Jan 27 00:30:38 2012 From: wm0g at comcast.net (wm0g at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row - Nichols In-Reply-To: <4F225093.5030300@q.com> Message-ID: <1287678639.102128.1327653038040.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Bill, No relation that I am aware of. Regards, Jack Ciaccia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Chris Strickland" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:21:55 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row - Nichols On 1/26/2012 10:07 PM, wm0g at comcast.net wrote: ... , my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and?farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Jack -- Do you know if your George A Nichols is related to Helen Minnie Nichols, b 26 July 1909, who married? Howard Winston Combs in Medford on 2 Apr 1930?? Howard is a first cousin, once removed. Thank you, Bill Strickland _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wm0g at comcast.net Fri Jan 27 00:58:47 2012 From: wm0g at comcast.net (wm0g at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1118903210.102306.1327654727144.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Stephen, ? It is entirely possible that their families knew each other back in Jacksonville, Morgan Co., IL. I have been there a few times and it is a rather close knit farming community. The Nichols were somewhat prominent in that area after a time having run the newspaper and the photography studios, etc..?G-G-Grandad Alvirus W. ?Nichols (b. 1823 in NY) arrived in 1847 to Morgan County, IL with his young family from Ionia Co., Michigan. But,?my wife's maternal ?ancestors, the ?Nichols were 'Johnny come latel y ' to Oregon.?Edw. F. Nichols and his family ?went west on an Emigrant Train to California and drove their wagon north sometime around 1875 from Redding, CA and originally homesteaded? in Sam's Valley. Regards, Jack Ciaccia ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:17:02 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Ja ck, Interesting.? Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with.? My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853."? The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, ? Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and?farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Y es I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged.? I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g < wm0g at comcast.net > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, ? My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth?was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot?and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols?worked?on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. ? Jack Ciaccia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Jones" < glenkc7mbm at comcast.net > To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. ? Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Tha nks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones < glenkc7mbm at comcast.net > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. ? Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ? ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row R oy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the " Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine < royblaine at msn.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: L es, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
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URL: From wm0g at comcast.net Fri Jan 27 01:15:45 2012 From: wm0g at comcast.net (wm0g at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1932026068.102380.1327655590748.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <126799963.102394.1327655745336.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Joanne, The Nichols, both Edward and his son, George?actually worked for both Bill and Mike Hanley during their lifetimes. They worked for Bill Hanley on the huge OO spread?SW of?Burns and for Mike at the large Butte Creek Ranch. I have some pictures of both her grandad and great grandad Nichols in their wagon in?front of the big barn on the Hanley Farm in Jacksonville. My mother-in-law Geneva Nichols lived on the Butte Creek Ranch for a while after she divorced her first husband and then met my father-in-law, William?"Fritz" Nickell?who worked for the ranch as a cow hand. He lived on his dad's?homestead (William A. 'Bill' Nickell) just outside of the Hanley Ranch property.?Interesting enough, Bill Nickell registered his brand as OO after the old Hanley OO Ranch was sold in 1941. The family?used to have some of?the daily logs for the ranch as?my mother-in-law Geneva?kept all of the records for her dad on the day to day expenses and time records, etc... as it pertained to the cow hands and the cattle drives, etc... Regards, Jack Ciaccia > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: "Joanne Broadhurst" > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:24:50 PM > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > Would that be the Bill Hanley?Double O or Bell A ranch around Burns or > antoher Hanley ranch.? The Hanleys of Jacksonville are kin.??Some also > settled in Eastern Oregon. > ? > Joanne Broadhurst > ? > Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:01:24 +0000 > From: wm0g at comcast.net > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > List, > ? > My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. > Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth?was born in what was Dorena, OR on the > Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original > town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I > believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have > been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 > miles north of the original spot?and I think still is in use. So, if > anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now > under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family > stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was > filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They > relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally > settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, > Edward F. Nichols?worked?on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. > ? > Jack Ciaccia > From: "Glen Jones" > To: "or-roots mail list" > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > Stephen > Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. > ? > Glen Jones Portland > From: rowriver at aol.com > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or..us > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > Tha nks Glen > Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage > on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." > The individual that contributed that information has passed away and > no one knows her source. > Stephen > -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Jones > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > Stephen > Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the > Genealogy Society Their > also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the > area. > ? > Glen Jones Portland, Oregon > ? > From: rowriver at aol.com > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > R oy, > I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, > There is a statement in the " Golden Was The Past" that leads me to > believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of > the Row).? Its at the bottom of page 153? and says "One man lies in a > lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his > neighbor." > Do you know anything about this statement in the book. > Stephen Clark > ggg grandson of George Clark > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Blaine < royblaine at msn.com > > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row > My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the > excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I > swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling > us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the > feud between the Clarks and Southwells.? > - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} > Roy Blaine > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: > > L es, > > That's one I had not heard. > > The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row > > River follows: > > In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the > > Middle > > Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled > > along > > the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near > > present day Cottage Grove. > > These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to > > pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, > > almost > > from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come > > up > > with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not > > agree. > > At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks > > and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that > > went > > back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, > > Illinois.? They were, by the way related through marriage. > > Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of > > 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between > > Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George > > Clark > > erupted.? The dispute is generally thought to have been over land > > and > > sheep.? During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back > > by > > one of the Southwells and killed. > > The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the > > Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed > > to > > rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. > > George Clark was my ggg grandfather. > > So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a > > tribute to my grandfather.? It is a good story anyway... Hope you > > enjoyed it. > > Stephen > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > > > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm > > Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row > > Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing > > something > > in some of the histories? lately ?about the "Bucket of Blood" or > > some > > such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a > > legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the > > loggers?trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night > > as > > they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are > > referring too? > > Les C > > > To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > > Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM > > > Hi Les, > > > Thank you for the information. I will check? this link. > > > Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live > > > somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. > > > In fact I'm a native San Diegan.? I did live in Cottage Grove in > > > 2002 > > > and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006.? That is not, however, the reason > > > my > > > email is Row River.... > > > Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you > > > have > > > heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after > > > originally > > > being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette.? > > > My > > > ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. > > > If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. > > > Stephen Clark > > _____________________________________________________ or-roots > > mailing > > list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by > > the Oregon State Library. 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The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list > owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 27 03:16:03 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:16:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1327648455.1030.YahooMailNeo@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <1327648455.1030.YahooMailNeo@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEAAFC30FA268E-CDC-AED@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Linda, The train was captained by my ggg uncle Thomas Clark. If you google 'Clark Massacre 1851' you will get many hits. Here is a link to just one of them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_Massacre They took a lower route to the Willamette Valley through the Bend area and are generally thought to be the first whites to camp at the site of present day Bend. There's a monument in the park by the lake where they camped. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, what company were your Clark family in on the 1851 train? I hadn't heard about that massacre--my 2nd gr grandparents, Denny & Pernina Parrish McClure came in 1851--in the Hardin Company. They settled in Linn County. Pernina's father, Edward Evans Parrish and family came in 1844--saw that year mentioned in the listing on www.oregonpioneers.com. ; They settled near Jefferson in Marion County. Linda McClure Wiley From: "rowriver at aol.com" To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 27 03:30:04 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:30:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1327648455.1030.YahooMailNeo@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <1327648455.1030.YahooMailNeo@web112605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEAAFE26212F58-CDC-D9E@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Linda, Just another side note. After my ggg grandfather George Clark was murdered by the Southwells in March 1868 his widow, Mary Ann, married a James Parrish 2 June 1872, in Lane County. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Linda Wiley To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, what company were your Clark family in on the 1851 train? I hadn't heard about that massacre--my 2nd gr grandparents, Denny & Pernina Parrish McClure came in 1851--in the Hardin Company. They settled in Linn County. Pernina's father, Edward Evans Parrish and family came in 1844--saw that year mentioned in the listing on www.oregonpioneers.com. ; They settled near Jefferson in Marion County. Linda McClure Wiley From: "rowriver at aol.com" To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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My Parks gang (George B W and Cynthia [Richardson] Parks, kids and her brother) were on the Lost Wagon Train. Settled first near Roseburg. Pat In Tucson From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of rowriver at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:17 PM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO _____ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia _____ From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland _____ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon _____ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. 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URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 27 08:21:11 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:21:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <02d901ccdd0b$20e04850$62a0d8f0$@net> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <02d901ccdd0b$20e04850$62a0d8f0$@net> Message-ID: <8CEAB26D1791ADA-CDC-2FE5@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Pat, The my ggg grandfather George Clark, the Row River murder victim that started this discussion, and his family were on the train. His brothers were among the searchers from Cottage Grove. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:49 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Who of yours came in 1853? My Parks gang (George B W and Cynthia [Richardson] Parks, kids and her brother) were on the Lost Wagon Train. Settled first near Roseburg. Pat In Tucson From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of rowriver at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:17 PM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net Fri Jan 27 09:09:09 2012 From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:09:09 -0700 Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAB26D1791ADA-CDC-2FE5@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <02d901ccdd0b$20e04850$62a0d8f0$@net> <8CEAB26D1791ADA-CDC-2FE5@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02f701ccdd16$627251e0$2756f5a0$@net> Ah, I seem to remember something about that - they would have been left in the mountains if not for them, right? Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of rowriver at aol.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:21 AM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Pat, The my ggg grandfather George Clark, the Row River murder victim that started this discussion, and his family were on the train. His brothers were among the searchers from Cottage Grove. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:49 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Who of yours came in 1853? My Parks gang (George B W and Cynthia [Richardson] Parks, kids and her brother) were on the Lost Wagon Train. Settled first near Roseburg. Pat In Tucson From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of rowriver at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:17 PM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g < wm0g at comcast.net> To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO _____ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g < wm0g at comcast.net> To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia _____ From: "Glen Jones" < glenkc7mbm at comcast.net> To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland _____ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones < glenkc7mbm at comcast.net> To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon _____ From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine < royblaine at msn.com> To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com> To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 27 09:20:31 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:20:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <02f701ccdd16$627251e0$2756f5a0$@net> References: <1007101157.100960.1327644473864.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><8CEAAD26AE0805E-271C-6A00E@webmail-d179.sysops.aol.com> <02d901ccdd0b$20e04850$62a0d8f0$@net><8CEAB26D1791ADA-CDC-2FE5@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> <02f701ccdd16$627251e0$2756f5a0$@net> Message-ID: <8CEAB2F1AC8DE06-CDC-36F4@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> That is correct. -----Original Message----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 9:10 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Ah, I seem to remember something about that ? they would have been left in the mountains if not for them, right? Pat From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of rowriver at aol.com Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:21 AM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Pat, The my ggg grandfather George Clark, the Row River murder victim that started this discussion, and his family were on the train. His brothers were among the searchers from Cottage Grove. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Kith-n-Kin To: 'or-roots mail list' Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 7:49 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Who of yours came in 1853? My Parks gang (George B W and Cynthia [Richardson] Parks, kids and her brother) were on the Lost Wagon Train. Settled first near Roseburg. Pat In Tucson From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of rowriver at aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:17 PM To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Jack, Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832. Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853." The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen, Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line. Regards, Jack Ciaccia Boulder, CO From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:20:58 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park. Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir? Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: wm0g To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 10:19:37 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 10:19:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAB26D1791ADA-CDC-2FE5@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1327688377.5448.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Okay I got?a hold?of little brother and he says they have done some additional research on the George Clark?story, but he is not sure what, he will try to remember (all us chappies have such good memories) to see what they have when he is on duty next week.? http://www.cggenealogy.org/ is the genealogy web site ? and? ?jane.a.myers[take out these brakcets and put at here]att.net is the email address for their researcher At PLSO a few years back we had a presentation on the lost wagon train if I remember right, well actually his talk was on wagon trains and old roads (the part of the talk actually?connected?to?surveying) and I seem to remember at the time I had a book that told some anecdotal stuff about the rescue mission. Unfortunately off the top of my head I can't remember what the book was so would have to search for it all over again unless I can find the email I sent it to him in. If you have access to Heritage Quest that is most likely where I found it. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From konajo37 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 10:35:28 2012 From: konajo37 at hotmail.com (Joanne Broadhurst) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:35:28 -1000 Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Row River Row In-Reply-To: <126799963.102394.1327655745336.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1932026068.102380.1327655590748.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <126799963.102394.1327655745336.JavaMail.root@sz0117a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: That's really interesting. It's always good to get pieces of information to add to the family lore. Josiah Burnett, my ggrandfather, was Martha Hanley's brother. The Burnett's came on the Oregon Trail via the Barlow Road in 1853. They then settled at Round Prairie near Roseburg. After Martha married Michael Hanley and moved to Jacksonville, my gggrandfather John Sims Burnett lived with them and is buried in the Jacksonville Cemetery. Josiah married Lucy Foster whom he met at Eagle Creek after arriving there via the Barlow Road. They later returned to Eagle Creek from Round Prairie when Lucy's father, Philip Foster, gave them land to build a house as he wanted her closer. The Hanley Ranch at Jacksonville is a real treasure of Oregon as it is so portrays a ranch of that time period. I have some wonderful pictures of the old barn, especially when Mike Hanley of Jorday Valley brought his stage coach and six-up in 2004. Joanne Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:15:45 +0000 From: wm0g at comcast.net To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: Row River Row Hi Joanne, The Nichols, both Edward and his son, George actually worked for both Bill and Mike Hanley during their lifetimes. They worked for Bill Hanley on the huge OO spread SW of Burns and for Mike at the large Butte Creek Ranch. I have some pictures of both her grandad and great grandad Nichols in their wagon in front of the big barn on the Hanley Farm in Jacksonville. My mother-in-law Geneva Nichols lived on the Butte Creek Ranch for a while after she divorced her first husband and then met my father-in-law, William "Fritz" Nickell who worked for the ranch as a cow hand. He lived on his dad's homestead (William A. 'Bill' Nickell) just outside of the Hanley Ranch property. Interesting enough, Bill Nickell registered his brand as OO after the old Hanley OO Ranch was sold in 1941. The family used to have some of the daily logs for the ranch as my mother-in-law Geneva kept all of the records for her dad on the day to day expenses and time records, etc... as it pertained to the cow hands and the cattle drives, etc... Regards, Jack Ciaccia From: "Joanne Broadhurst" To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 6:24:50 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Would that be the Bill Hanley Double O or Bell A ranch around Burns or antoher Hanley ranch. The Hanleys of Jacksonville are kin. Some also settled in Eastern Oregon. Joanne Broadhurst Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:01:24 +0000 From: wm0g at comcast.net To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row List, My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years. Jack Ciaccia From: "Glen Jones" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:28:45 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Unfortunatly I have run into that before also. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or...us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 2:20:10 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Thanks Glen Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past." The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 9:51:13 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Roy, I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor." Do you know anything about this statement in the book. Stephen Clark ggg grandson of George Clark -----Original Message----- From: Roy Blaine To: or-roots mail list Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2012 9:40 am Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells. - For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-} Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote: Les, That's one I had not heard. The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows: In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove. These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree. At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage. Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed. The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark. George Clark was my ggg grandfather. So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 5:40 pm Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too? Les C To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? 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Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 11:02:33 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:02:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Logging Camp locations In-Reply-To: <1440175025.209068.1327599945067.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1327690953.36632.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dale asked about finding a logging camp location for which?the?name is not known. I hate to be discouraging, but even with the name finding the location is problematic.? As an example here is a picture of at least one of my Melvin cousins working at a logging camp "somewhere" in Oregon.http://s1118.photobucket.com/albums/k617/Mashtali/Photos%20from%20Caddie/?action=view¤t=Congerprvdd020.jpg? Now as near as I can reconstruct from probable time frame of this photo ?it is most likely near Reedsport, but it may be near Tillamook or somewhere in the Coast Range west of Oregon City or out of Coos Bay or Coquille. All places we know the family members worked in the woods. I have in the course of my research found references to them at a place called "camp five" and some other names. Unfortunately that name is only slightly more useful than having a PO box number to go one with no town name attached. Probably every major logging operation in the state between 1860 or so and 1950 had at least one "camp five." ?As you go north out of Gardiner here you pass Sparrow Park Rd, locals inform that it should be Three Mile, as it was the road to Three mile logging camp, about a mile up the road is Five Mile road. There are a lot of "fill in the distance here" mile creeks in Oregon most of which are related to their distance from some settlement, but you will also find at one time or another an awful lot of those creeks had logging camps on them with the same name and if all you have is "five mile camp" you're just as bad off as I am with my "camp five." ?Finding that needle in the haystack is about as easy as finding where "the sawmill" was. In most of Oregon you can just about hit a golf ball in any direction with a good driver and it will land in or fly over an old mill site. If you have them in a Census at the time they were in the Logging camp you might get a clue at least to the general area. About the only other way would be if there was a letter from or to them at the time. Les C >?I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame.? My grandmother was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is where she met my grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging camp.? I have a photo of some of the loggers standing in the camp near a building but can't identify it.? It is one of those old wide, about 12 inches wide by about 3-1/2 inches tall.? I have several of those old photos from the time frame of about 1910 to 1920.I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there is any information about it.Dale in California< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Fri Jan 27 11:33:42 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 19:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Logging Camp locations In-Reply-To: <1327690953.36632.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <670444346.813197.1327692822364.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> A lot of the Old Logging camps were also know by the name of the?owner of the logging company as well as the Camp Five or ?? Etc. Glen Jones Portland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Chapman" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 11:02:33 AM Subject: [or-roots] Logging Camp locations Dale asked about finding a logging camp location for which? the ?name is not known. I hate to be discouraging, but even with the name finding the location is problematic.? As an example here is a picture of at least one of my Melvin cousins working at a logging camp "somewhere" in Oregon. http://s1118.photobucket.com/albums/k617/Mashtali/Photos%20from%20Caddie/?action=view¤t=Congerprvdd020.jpg ? Now as near as I can reconstruct from probable time frame of this photo ?it is most likely near Reedsport, but it may be near Tillamook or somewhere in the Coast Range west of Oregon City or out of Coos Bay or Coquille. All places we know the family members worked in the woods. I have in the course of my research found references to them at a place called "camp five" and some other names. Unfortunately that name is only slightly more useful than having a PO box number to go one with no town name attached. Probably every major logging operation in the state between 1860 or so and 1950 had at least one "camp five." ?As you go north out of Gardiner here you pass Sparrow Park Rd, locals inform that it should be Three Mile, as it was the road to Three mile logging camp, about a mile up the road is Five Mile road. There are a lot of "fill in the distance here" mile creeks in Oregon most of which are related to their distance from some settlement, but you will also find at one time or another an awful lot of those creeks had logging camps on them with the same name and if all you have is "five mile camp" you're just as bad off as I am with my "camp five." ?Finding that needle in the haystack is about as easy as finding where "the sawmill" was. In most of Oregon you can just about hit a golf ball in any direction with a good driver and it will land in or fly over an old mill site. If you have them in a Census at the time they were in the Logging camp you might get a clue at least to the general area. About the only other way would be if there was a letter from or to them at the time. Les C > ?I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame.? My grandmother was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is where she met my grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging camp.? I have a photo of some of the loggers standing in the camp near a building but can't identify it.? It is one of those old wide, about 12 inches wide by about 3-1/2 inches tall.? I have several of those old photos from the time frame of about 1910 to 1920. I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there is any information about it. Dale in California < _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 12:45:43 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:45:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Logging Camp locations In-Reply-To: <670444346.813197.1327692822364.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1327697143.11376.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Yes, or they may have been known by names that would really confuse the issue if you have no record of what the name means. The logging camp that I own a?piece?of ?south of Cottage Grove was often referred to as "the Banana Farm." ?And no that isn't a reference to the sanity of the associated landowners, but to the fact that it was perceived as warmer weather in our little valley than was the case in town. I think that was mostly a misconception since I have driven to town several times with snow still clinging to my vehicle and had folks think I must have driven in from Diston or some similarly high elevation location, but I am sure you can still find old timers who know where "The Banana Farm" is in south Lane County. Also ?being named for the owner brings you right back to an ID as?useless?as my PO box example if that is all you have; which Booth Kelley camp or Woodard or whatever. The Banana farm was actually the first location for Bohemia Mill, though it wasn't Bohemia at the time. Les C #yiv1237421233 p {margin:0;}A lot of the Old Logging camps were also know by the name of the?owner of the logging company as well as the Camp Five or ?? Etc. Glen Jones Portland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 12:55:38 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:55:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Dean's Creek In-Reply-To: <1327697143.11376.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327697738.69503.YahooMailClassic@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> We had a discussion on the "you know you're from Reedsport when" page on facebook last night about whether it is Dean Creek or Dean's Creek that is next to the Elk refuge east of town. In the course of my search to find out who "Dean" was I ran across this; http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1957/9908/Rem_Whe.pdf?sequence=1 Haven't read to see if it answered my question yet (do any of you know?) but I am sure some of you will find useful information there. On ?a not entirely unrelated subject, does anyone know much about the history of Elkhead beyond the fact it was named for being at the headwaters of Elk Creek? How big it ever got, what it's reason for existence was etc. It has it's own precinct in the 1920 census but I suspect the 100 plus people are not all in one location. Les C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 27 13:28:00 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Dean's Creek In-Reply-To: <1327697738.69503.YahooMailClassic@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327697143.11376.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1327697738.69503.YahooMailClassic@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327699680.88538.YahooMailNeo@web112620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I pulled out my handy-dandy "Oregon Geographic Names" by McArthur (6th edition) and Elkhead and Dean/Dean's Creek aren't listed.? The story on the link in the previous message doesn't give any information on the name. ? ________________________________ From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:55 PM Subject: [or-roots] Dean's Creek We had a discussion on the "you know you're from Reedsport when" page on facebook last night about whether it is Dean Creek or Dean's Creek that is next to the Elk refuge east of town. In the course of my search to find out who "Dean" was I ran across this; http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1957/9908/Rem_Whe.pdf?sequence=1 Haven't read to see if it answered my question yet (do any of you know?) but I am sure some of you will find useful information there. On ?a not entirely unrelated subject, does anyone know much about the history of Elkhead beyond the fact it was named for being at the headwaters of Elk Creek? How big it ever got, what it's reason for existence was etc. It has it's own precinct in the 1920 census but I suspect the 100 plus people are not all in one location. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LAUBREY1 at aol.com Fri Jan 27 13:44:24 2012 From: LAUBREY1 at aol.com (LAUBREY1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:44:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Coyotes in the Kitchen Message-ID: <402ef.7780547e.3c5474b8@aol.com> I agree with Les. Hope every thing is all right. Did enjoy the story. Accidents happen but we get some good stuff that way. Linda In a message dated 1/26/2012 11:43:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, opera_70 at yahoo.com writes: Well at least it was Oregon and sure as heck was historical. Give them our regards, hope the recovery goes well. Les --- On Thu, 1/26/12, Bill & Chris Strickland wrote: From: Bill & Chris Strickland Subject: Re: [or-roots] Coyotes in the Kitchen To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Thursday, January 26, 2012, 11:39 PM No idea how this went to the genealogy list, was supposed to have gone elsewhere -- Sorry, Bill _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list _or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us_ (mip://09cb5ee0/mc/compose?to=or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us) _http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots_ (http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots) Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Fri Jan 27 14:59:17 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:59:17 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Logging Camp locations In-Reply-To: <1327690953.36632.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1440175025.209068.1327599945067.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1327690953.36632.YahooMailClassic@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Les there was a road from Oregon city to the Dales and they marked it one mile, two mile etc. My ggrandfather was born at 5 mile. If you go two that road on the Forest Service Maps you might find the road you might find what your looking for I found it at the office in Salem would be willing to help with that if you need it . Great picture by the way. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > Dale asked about finding a logging camp location for which the name is > not known. I hate to be discouraging, but even with the name finding the > location is problematic. > > As an example here is a picture of at least one of my Melvin cousins > working at a logging camp "somewhere" in Oregon. > > http://s1118.photobucket.com/albums/k617/Mashtali/Photos%20from%20Caddie/?action=view¤t=Congerprvdd020.jpg > > > Now as near as I can reconstruct from probable time frame of this photo > it is most likely near Reedsport, but it may be near Tillamook or > somewhere in the Coast Range west of Oregon City or out of Coos Bay or > Coquille. All places we know the family members worked in the woods. > > I have in the course of my research found references to them at a place > called "camp five" and some other names. Unfortunately that name is only > slightly more useful than having a PO box number to go one with no town > name attached. Probably every major logging operation in the state between > 1860 or so and 1950 had at least one "camp five." As you go north out of > Gardiner here you pass Sparrow Park Rd, locals inform that it should be > Three Mile, as it was the road to Three mile logging camp, about a mile up > the road is Five Mile road. There are a lot of "fill in the distance here" > mile creeks in Oregon most of which are related to their distance from some > settlement, but you will also find at one time or another an awful lot of > those creeks had logging camps on them with the same name and if all you > have is "five mile camp" you're just as bad off as I am with my "camp > five." Finding that needle in the haystack is about as easy as finding > where "the sawmill" was. In most of Oregon you can just about hit a golf > ball in any direction with a good driver and it will land in or fly over an > old mill site. > > If you have them in a Census at the time they were in the Logging camp you > might get a clue at least to the general area. About the only other way > would be if there was a letter from or to them at the time. > > Les C > > > > I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large > logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame. My grandmother > was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is where she met my > grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging camp. I have a photo > of some of the loggers standing in the camp near a building but can't > identify it. It is one of those old wide, about 12 inches wide by about > 3-1/2 inches tall. I have several of those old photos from the time frame > of about 1910 to 1920. > I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there is any > information about it. > Dale in California > < > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trishaneal at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 15:21:57 2012 From: trishaneal at hotmail.com (Trish Neal) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:21:57 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Dean's Creek In-Reply-To: <1327697738.69503.YahooMailClassic@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327697143.11376.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <1327697738.69503.YahooMailClassic@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hope this helps! http://www.dfw.state.or.us/resources/visitors/dean_creek_wildlife_area.asp At the wildlife area: The Dean Creek Elk Viewing Area and the O.H. Hinsdale Interpretive Center are popular tourist stops along Hwy. 38 near Reedsport. Visitors are treated to up-close views of Roosevelt elk, with the herd sometimes reaching as many as 120 elk. Mountains, meadows and marshes also are home to beaver, muskrat, mallards, Canada geese and great blue heron. Dean Creek Wildlife Area 63538 Boat Basin Drive Charleston, OR 97420 541-888-5515Managed by the Bureau of Land Management: 541-756-0100Trish Neal Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:55:38 -0800 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Subject: [or-roots] Dean's Creek We had a discussion on the "you know you're from Reedsport when" page on facebook last night about whether it is Dean Creek or Dean's Creek that is next to the Elk refuge east of town. In the course of my search to find out who "Dean" was I ran across this; http://ir.library.oregonstate.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1957/9908/Rem_Whe.pdf?sequence=1 Haven't read to see if it answered my question yet (do any of you know?) but I am sure some of you will find useful information there. On a not entirely unrelated subject, does anyone know much about the history of Elkhead beyond the fact it was named for being at the headwaters of Elk Creek? How big it ever got, what it's reason for existence was etc. It has it's own precinct in the 1920 census but I suspect the 100 plus people are not all in one location. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 27 17:11:07 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:11:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <1327688377.5448.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327688377.5448.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEAB70D8DEC182-CDC-6A64@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Les, If you can find copies of the Oregon Historical Quarterly Vol. 77, No. 4 ( December 1976) through Vol. 79, No. 1 (Spring 1978) you will find a series of articles on the Free Immigrant Road and the Elliot Cutoff by Leah Collins Menefee and Lowell Tiller titled "Cutoff Fever." It is an account of the attempts of local Lane County residents to survey and build a toll free road from Lane County to the Oregon Trail and the exploits of the Lost Wagon Train of 1853. Some of my Clarks were involved in the survey and road building efforts as well as others being members of the Lost Wagon Train. The Lost Train was comprised of some 1,000+ people and 215 wagons. Interesting stuff. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:20 am Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Okay I got a hold of little brother and he says they have done some additional research on the George Clark story, but he is not sure what, he will try to remember (all us chappies have such good memories) to see what they have when he is on duty next week. http://www.cggenealogy.org/ is the genealogy web site and jane.a.myers[take out these brakcets and put at here]att.net is the email address for their researcher At PLSO a few years back we had a presentation on the lost wagon train if I remember right, well actually his talk was on wagon trains and old roads (the part of the talk actually connected to surveying) and I seem to remember at the time I had a book that told some anecdotal stuff about the rescue mission. Unfortunately off the top of my head I can't remember what the book was so would have to search for it all over again unless I can find the email I sent it to him in. If you have access to Heritage Quest that is most likely where I found it. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Fri Jan 27 17:34:05 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAB70D8DEC182-CDC-6A64@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <854740451.829478.1327714445118.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Stephen and Les Just for info, the Free Emmigrant Road is under study by the National H istoric Trails and the National park Service for inculsion in the National Historic T rails. The Oregon California Trails A ssociation is involved in this and may be doing some things this summer on the Road Also the National Convention of the OCTA is in Oregon City July 22-26 2013, I am on the Communications and Publicity Committee for the Convention.( Accually Monarch Hotel at Clackamas Town Center is the Headquarters for the Convention) For those unaware the Oregon California Trails Association (OCTA) Works with the National Park Service in Locating and Marking Historic Trails. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:11:07 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row L es, If you can find copies of the Oregon Historical Quarterly Vol. 77,? No. 4 ( December 1976)? through? Vol. 79,? No. 1 (Spring 1978) you will find a series of articles on the Free Immigrant Road and the Elliot Cutoff? by Leah Collins Menefee and Lowell Tiller titled ? "Cutoff Fever."??? It is an account of the attempts of local Lane County residents to survey and build a toll free road from Lane County to the Oregon Trail and the exploits of the Lost Wagon Train of 1853. ? Some of my Clarks were involved in the survey and road building efforts as well as others being members of the Lost Wagon Train.? The Lost Train was comprised of some 1,000 + people and 215 wagons . Interesting stuff. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:20 am Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Okay I got?a hold?of little brother and he says they have done some additional research on the George Clark? story, but he is not sure what, he will try to remember (all us chappies have such good memories) to see what they have when he is on duty next week.? http://www.cggenealogy.org/ is the genealogy web site ? and ? ?jane.a.myers[take out these brakcets and put at here]att.net is the email address for their researcher At PLSO a few years back we had a presentation on the lost wagon train if I remember right, well actually his talk was on wagon trains and old roads (the part of the talk actually?connected?to?surveying) and I seem to remember at the time I had a book that told some anecdotal stuff about the rescue mission. Unfortunately off the top of my head I can't remember what the book was so would have to search for it all over again unless I can find the email I sent it to him in. If you have access to Heritage Quest that is most likely where I found it. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Fri Jan 27 19:03:44 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:03:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <854740451.829478.1327714445118.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <854740451.829478.1327714445118.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEAB80948ECBE6-CDC-7030@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Glen, This is great information. Thanks for sharing. I am an avid hiker just entering the 3rd year of my quest to section hike the Pacific Crest Trail. There are portions of the Free Emigrant Road just outside Cottage Grove that are still very viable and hike-able. Now retired with lots of time on my hands I am wondering if there is a way I can get involved. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen and Les Just for info, the Free Emmigrant Road is under study by the National Historic Trails and the National park Service for inculsion in the National Historic Trails. The Oregon California Trails Association is involved in this and may be doing some things this summer on the Road Also the National Convention of the OCTA is in Oregon City July 22-26 2013, I am on the Communications and Publicity Committee for the Convention.( Accually Monarch Hotel at Clackamas Town Center is the Headquarters for the Convention) For those unaware the Oregon California Trails Association (OCTA) Works with the National Park Service in Locating and Marking Historic Trails. Glen Jones Portland, Oregon From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:11:07 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Les, If you can find copies of the Oregon Historical Quarterly Vol. 77, No. 4 ( December 1976) through Vol. 79, No. 1 (Spring 1978) you will find a series of articles on the Free Immigrant Road and the Elliot Cutoff by Leah Collins Menefee and Lowell Tiller titled "Cutoff Fever." It is an account of the attempts of local Lane County residents to survey and build a toll free road from Lane County to the Oregon Trail and the exploits of the Lost Wagon Train of 1853. Some of my Clarks were involved in the survey and road building efforts as well as others being members of the Lost Wagon Train. The Lost Train was comprised of some 1,000+ people and 215 wagons. Interesting stuff. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:20 am Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Okay I got a hold of little brother and he says they have done some additional research on the George Clark story, but he is not sure what, he will try to remember (all us chappies have such good memories) to see what they have when he is on duty next week. http://www.cggenealogy.org/ is the genealogy web site and jane.a.myers[take out these brakcets and put at here]att.net is the email address for their researcher At PLSO a few years back we had a presentation on the lost wagon train if I remember right, well actually his talk was on wagon trains and old roads (the part of the talk actually connected to surveying) and I seem to remember at the time I had a book that told some anecdotal stuff about the rescue mission. Unfortunately off the top of my head I can't remember what the book was so would have to search for it all over again unless I can find the email I sent it to him in. If you have access to Heritage Quest that is most likely where I found it. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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URL: From PMML at MERITEL.NET Fri Jan 27 20:42:10 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:42:10 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: References: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: My family to were loggers from Forest Grove and I to have many pictures. Willing tro post some are listed and on postcards willing to get them, Noticed Darnell have Darnells Mine is Amos Darnell moved to Dufur area On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Roy Blaine wrote: > Mr. Jones, > > My family, too, were loggers in the "Greater" Cottage Grove area from the > 1880s on. Contact me offline if you are interested in some pictures of old > mills and logging op from those days in Lynx Hollow, etc. Owens, Wheeler, > Darnell, mainly. > > Roy Blaine > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:34 PM, "Glen Jones" wrote: > > Les and Stephen > > Just for interest I have old photos of Diston Oregon also of the railroad > bridge being > > built accross the Row River, my grandfather was a logger at Diston in 1910. > > I have cousins still in Cottage Grove. > > > > Glen Jones Portland > > > > ------------------------------ > *From: *rowriver at aol.com > *To: *or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:54:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > Hi Les, > > Thank you for the information. I will check this link. > > Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live > somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. > In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and > in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is > Row River.... > > Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have > heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being > called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg > grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. > > If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. > > Stephen Clark > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Leslie Chapman > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm > Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > I came close to what you are probably looking for; > > http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html > > This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with > reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. > > I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live some > where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. > > Les Chapman > > --- On *Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com * wrote: > > > From: rowriver at aol.com > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother > got him to raise him... > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Stephen > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the > sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for > content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) > or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Fri Jan 27 20:53:56 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 20:53:56 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Oregon Logging Camp Pictures In-Reply-To: References: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4F237F64.4090903@ccountry.net> My husband's ancestors were loggers in Coos County and I have quite a few pictures of Coos County logging. Sue Steward On 1/27/2012 8:42 PM, Marsha BradleyLuthy wrote: > My family to were loggers from Forest Grove and I to have many > pictures. Willing tro post some are listed and on postcards willing to > get them, Noticed Darnell have Darnells Mine is Amos Darnell moved > to Dufur area > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Roy Blaine > wrote: > > Mr. Jones, > > My family, too, were loggers in the "Greater" Cottage Grove area > from the 1880s on. Contact me offline if you are interested in > some pictures of old mills and logging op from those days in Lynx > Hollow, etc. Owens, Wheeler, Darnell, mainly. > > Roy Blaine > Sent from my iPhone > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rowriver at aol.com Sat Jan 28 00:57:22 2012 From: rowriver at aol.com (rowriver at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:57:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: References: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEABB1FB57A050-CDC-7B2E@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> and this helps me with pdx orphanages how??? Please start your own thread so I don;t waste my time! -----Original Message----- From: Marsha BradleyLuthy To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 My family to were loggers from Forest Grove and I to have many pictures. Willing tro post some are listed and on postcards willing to get them, Noticed Darnell have Darnells Mine is Amos Darnell moved to Dufur area On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Roy Blaine wrote: Mr. Jones, My family, too, were loggers in the "Greater" Cottage Grove area from the 1880s on. Contact me offline if you are interested in some pictures of old mills and logging op from those days in Lynx Hollow, etc. Owens, Wheeler, Darnell, mainly. Roy Blaine Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:34 PM, "Glen Jones" wrote: Les and Stephen Just for interest I have old photos of Diston Oregon also of the railroad bridge being built accross the Row River, my grandfather was a logger at Diston in 1910. I have cousins still in Cottage Grove. Glen Jones Portland From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:54:42 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Hi Les, Thank you for the information. I will check this link. Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River.... Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman To: or-roots mail list Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 I came close to what you are probably looking for; http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live some where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. Les Chapman --- On Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com wrote: From: rowriver at aol.com Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother got him to raise him... Thanks for any assistance. Stephen _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sallyya at frontiernet.net Sat Jan 28 08:56:30 2012 From: sallyya at frontiernet.net (Sally Yarbrough) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 08:56:30 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24910e$7amnpp@out01.dlls.pa.frontiernet.net> A good book on the subject of logging camps "The Lady and the Lumberjack" by Olive Barber it is about a logging camp in the coos bay curry county area published in 1952. Sally in southern Oregon At 08:42 PM 1/27/2012, you wrote: >I have been trying to find out for years if there was ever a large >logging camp near Portland in the 1917 to 1919 time frame.? My >grandmother was a cook in a logging camp at that time and that is >where she met my grandfather who was also a cook in the same logging >camp.? I have a photo of some of the loggers standing in the camp >near a building but can't identify it.? It is one of those old wide, >about 12 inches wide by about 3-1/2 inches tall.? I have several of >those old photos from the time frame of about 1910 to 1920. >I sure would like to know the name of the logging camp and if there >is any information about it. >Dale in California From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net Sat Jan 28 09:18:51 2012 From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row In-Reply-To: <8CEAB80948ECBE6-CDC-7030@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1616394270.844551.1327771131552.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Stephen Contact me off List about the OCTA. Glen Jones glenkc7mbm at comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:03:44 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row G len, This is great information. Thanks for sharing. I am an avid hiker just entering the 3rd year of my quest to section hike the Pacific Crest Trail.? There are portions of the Free Emigrant Road just outside Cottage Grove that are still very viable and hike-able.? Now retired with lots of time on my hands I am wondering if there is a way I can get involved. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Glen Jones To: or-roots mail list Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row Stephen and Les Just for info, the Free Emmigrant Road is under study by the National Historic Trails and the National park Service for inculsion in the National Historic Trails. The Oregon California Trails Association is involved in this and may be doing some things this summer on the Road Also the National Convention of the OCTA is in Oregon City July 22-26 2013, I am on the Communications and Publicity Committee for the Convention.( Accually Monarch Hotel at Clackamas Town Center is the Headquarters for the Convention) For those unaware the Oregon California Trails Association (OCTA) Works with the National Park Service in Locating and Marking Historic Trails. ? Glen Jones Portland, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: rowriver at aol.com To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 5:11:07 PM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Row River Row L es, If you can find copies of the Oregon Historical Quarterly Vol. 77,? No. 4 ( December 1976)? through? Vol. 79,? No. 1 (Spring 1978) you will find a series of articles on the Free Immigrant Road and the Elliot Cutoff? by Leah Collins Menefee and Lowell Tiller titled ? "Cutoff Fever."??? It is an account of the attempts of local Lane County residents to survey and build a toll free road from Lane County to the Oregon Trail and the exploits of the Lost Wagon Train of 1853. ? Some of my Clarks were involved in the survey and road building efforts as well as others being members of the Lost Wagon Train.? The Lost Train was comprised of some 1,000 + people and 215 wagons . Interesting stuff. Stephen Clark -----Original Message----- From: Leslie Chapman < opera_70 at yahoo.com > To: or-roots mail list < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 10:20 am Subject: [or-roots] Row River Row Okay I got?a hold?of little brother and he says they have done some additional research on the George Clark? story, but he is not sure what, he will try to remember (all us chappies have such good memories) to see what they have when he is on duty next week.? http://www.cggenealogy.org/ is the genealogy web site ? and ? ?jane.a.myers[take out these brakcets and put at here]att.net is the email address for their researcher At PLSO a few years back we had a presentation on the lost wagon train if I remember right, well actually his talk was on wagon trains and old roads (the part of the talk actually?connected?to?surveying) and I seem to remember at the time I had a book that told some anecdotal stuff about the rescue mission. Unfortunately off the top of my head I can't remember what the book was so would have to search for it all over again unless I can find the email I sent it to him in. If you have access to Heritage Quest that is most likely where I found it. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 12:31:05 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:31:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Hunt ancestry in Oregon In-Reply-To: <1616394270.844551.1327771131552.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1327782665.40242.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Anyone with connections to these folks that doesn't have this will certainly want it; ?Les C some of the wives mentioned; Temperance Estep, the widow Nancy Smith and her daughter Elizabeth. Lockley, Fred, To Oregon by ox-team in '47 : the story of the coming of the Hunt family to the Oregon country and the experiences of G.W. Hunt in the gold diggings of California in 1849?Portland, Or.: F. Lockley, 1924, 17 pgs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Sat Jan 28 12:39:25 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:39:25 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Hunt ancestry in Oregon In-Reply-To: <1327782665.40242.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1327782665.40242.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F245CFD.8070001@ccountry.net> Is this available online? Sue Steward On 1/28/2012 12:31 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: > Anyone with connections to these folks that doesn't have this will > certainly want it; Les C > > some of the wives mentioned; Temperance Estep, the widow Nancy Smith > and her daughter Elizabeth. > > Lockley, Fred, > > To Oregon by ox-team in '47 : the story of the coming of the Hunt > family to the Oregon country and the experiences of G.W. Hunt in the > gold diggings of California in 1849 > Portland, Or.: F. Lockley, 1924, 17 pgs. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > or-roots mailing list > or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots > Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. > Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. > Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ssteward at ccountry.net Sat Jan 28 12:56:47 2012 From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:56:47 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Hunt ancestry in Oregon In-Reply-To: <4F245CFD.8070001@ccountry.net> References: <1327782665.40242.YahooMailClassic@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F245CFD.8070001@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <4F24610F.90700@ccountry.net> Should have looked before I questioned, it is available on Heritage Quest. Sue Steward On 1/28/2012 12:31 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: >> Anyone with connections to these folks that doesn't have this will >> certainly want it; Les C >> >> some of the wives mentioned; Temperance Estep, the widow Nancy Smith >> and her daughter Elizabeth. >> >> Lockley, Fred, >> >> To Oregon by ox-team in '47 : the story of the coming of the Hunt >> family to the Oregon country and the experiences of G.W. Hunt in the >> gold diggings of California in 1849 >> Portland, Or.: F. Lockley, 1924, 17 pgs. >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Pearlsoup at aol.com Sat Jan 28 13:32:18 2012 From: Pearlsoup at aol.com (Pearlsoup at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:32:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] Hunt ancestry in Oregon Message-ID: <21a2b.6d294b3.3c55c362@aol.com> Hi All, At last a mention of my ancestors! I even have pictures of some of these folks and have been to the Mt. Hope cemetery to visit their graves. The daughter of G.W. is the author of "Book of Remembrances", Sarah Hunt Steeves and she wrote mainly about the Marion Co., OR pioneers. Temperance Estep is my direct ancestor, G.W., (George Washington Hunt), was brother to my grt grandfather, Marion Thomas Hunt and Nancy Smith was their stepmother. George married Elizabeth, his stepsister. I have a copy of this publication as well as the book mentioned above and would love to share with any relatives also on this list. Linda Purvis Beaverton, OR In a message dated 1/28/12 12:31:17 PM, opera_70 at yahoo.com writes: > Anyone with connections to these folks that doesn't have this will > certainly want it; ?Les C > > some of the wives mentioned; Temperance Estep, the widow Nancy Smith and > her daughter Elizabeth. > > Lockley, Fred, > > To Oregon by ox-team in '47 : the story of the coming of the Hunt family > to the Oregon country and the experiences of G.W. Hunt in the gold diggings > of California in 1849? > Portland, Or.: F. Lockley, 1924, 17 pgs. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 13:56:35 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:56:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Hunt ancestry in Oregon In-Reply-To: <4F245CFD.8070001@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <1327787795.96541.YahooMailClassic@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> It is available through Heritage Quest, but I can send it to anyone who want is if the email me off list at Opera_70 at yahoo.com it is only 17 pages and the pdf is only a little over a meg. Les --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Sue Steward wrote: From: Sue Steward Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hunt ancestry in Oregon To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:39 PM Is this available online? Sue Steward On 1/28/2012 12:31 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: Anyone with connections to these folks that doesn't have this will certainly want it; ?Les C some of the wives mentioned; Temperance Estep, the widow Nancy Smith and her daughter Elizabeth. Lockley, Fred, To Oregon by ox-team in '47 : the story of the coming of the Hunt family to the Oregon country and the experiences of G.W. Hunt in the gold diggings of California in 1849? Portland, Or.: F. Lockley, 1924, 17 pgs. _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LinLouVan at aol.com Sat Jan 28 14:56:27 2012 From: LinLouVan at aol.com (LinLouVan at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:56:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] (Rev) William Boyd Moore Message-ID: <20ea.1715a171.3c55d71b@aol.com> Can anyone on this list help with this person? Here is what I have. Martha Ann JANUARY (b. 13 May 1866 in Cottage Grove, Lane Co., Oregon) m. William Thomas SIMMONS (b. 12 Mar 1853 Lane Co., Oregon) They had two children: Samuel Bert SIMMONS (b. 1 Dec 1887; d. 5 Feb 1975) Lola Ethel SIMMONS (b. May 1889; d. 8 May 1971) William Thomas SIMMONS d. 25 Mar 1927 at Junction City, Lane Co., Oregon On 13 Dec 1931, Martha Ann JANUARY SIMMONS m. William Boyd Moore (in a couple of places, Rev. William Boyd Moore) I have found nothing else about Mr. Moore. Coincidentally, Lola Ethel SIMMONS first married Olaf Olsen who died in an automobile accident in 1918. An article in the "Junction City Times" says that the funeral services were held at Riverview Church "by Rev. Moore, pastor of the M. E. church here". Martha Ann Simmons Moore's death certificate, 20 Jul 1961, says she was a widow. Therefore, Mr. Moore must have died before that date. Her obituary in the "Junction City Times" identifies her as Mrs. Anna Simmons Moore, talks about her growing up in Cottage Grove, marrying William Simmons, living in the Riverview neighborhood since 1892. It mentions her two children, but other than the name, Mrs. Moore, says nothing about William B. Moore. Help! Linda VanOrden Junction City, Oregon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Pearlsoup at aol.com Sat Jan 28 15:47:14 2012 From: Pearlsoup at aol.com (Pearlsoup at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:47:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [or-roots] (Rev) William Boyd Moore Message-ID: <77d64.6ce3ee7b.3c55e301@aol.com> Linda, Often, in the census, women preferred to list themselves as widow when it was really a divorce. One of my relatives did, and the story was, her husband came home with fancy underwear for the maid who was there while the wife was recuperating from childbirth. Family rumor is, he married the maid after the divorce. One of my own grt grandmothers, at the age of 29 had her first child out of wedlock and was listed in the census as Mrs. Spencer when that was her maiden name. : ) Linda, Beaverton, OR In a message dated 1/28/12 2:56:43 PM, LinLouVan at aol.com writes: > Can anyone on this list help with this person? Here is what I have. > ? > Martha Ann JANUARY (b. 13 May 1866 in Cottage Grove, Lane Co., Oregon) > ????m. William Thomas SIMMONS (b. 12 Mar 1853 Lane Co., Oregon) > ? > They had two children: > ????Samuel Bert SIMMONS (b. 1 Dec 1887; d. 5 Feb 1975) > ????Lola Ethel SIMMONS (b. May 1889; d. 8 May 1971) > ? > William Thomas SIMMONS d. 25 Mar 1927 at Junction City, Lane Co., Oregon > ? > On 13 Dec 1931, Martha Ann JANUARY SIMMONS > ????m. William Boyd Moore (in?a couple of places, Rev. William Boyd > Moore) > ? > I? have found nothing else about Mr. Moore. > ? > Coincidentally, Lola Ethel SIMMONS first married Olaf Olsen who died in > an automobile accident in 1918. > An article in the "Junction City Times" says that the funeral services > were held at Riverview Church "by Rev. Moore, pastor of the M. E. church > here". > ? > Martha Ann Simmons Moore's death certificate, 20 Jul 1961, says she was a > widow. Therefore, Mr. Moore must have died before that date. Her obituary > in the "Junction City Times" identifies her as Mrs. Anna Simmons Moore, > talks about her growing up in Cottage Grove, marrying William Simmons, living > in the Riverview neighborhood since 1892. It mentions her two children, but > other than the name, Mrs. Moore, says nothing about William B. Moore. > ? > Help! > ? > Linda VanOrden > Junction City, Oregon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From janet at janetvalade.com Sat Jan 28 16:24:27 2012 From: janet at janetvalade.com (Janet Valade) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:24:27 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon Message-ID: <4F2491BB.9050101@janetvalade.com> Since several people here seem to have researched and have materials on Oregon logging camps, I thought I would ask here about my grandfather. His name was Joseph Bauman. He was a logger in 1914 and for some time before that, but I don't know how long. He was a logger in 1922 and probably for some time after that, but I don't know how long. He and my grandmother lived in Rainier Oregon (Columbia County). They are in the 1920 census there, with my mother and uncle. He and my grandmother divorced in 1922. I assume he worked in a loggin camp somewhere near Rainier, but I'm not sure since I know he was gone for work for periods of time, at least sometimes, and not returning home every nite. I know he was working somewhere that he didn't come home every night in 1922. He was born in 1870 in Germany. He died in 1943 when he was living in Rainier. At that time, he had a shoe repair store. He living other places in between. I have his obit, but it's not that helpful. So, I thought I would put this out there, in case anyone researching this stuff ran across him or had some useful references. I also wanted to let you know that I have a book called "Homes in the Oregon Forest: Settling Columbia County, 1870 ? 1920". It's the chronicle, with pictures, of a group of families who were loggers in Maine. They came as a group to log in Astoria, Milton Creek Valley, and inland Columbia County. Deer Island. The family I am interested in is Emerson. Other names are Perry, Corliss, Howard, Briggs, Daggett, and others. If anyone thinks there might be information for them in this book, I'll be glad to look it up. Janet Russell Valade From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 16:35:02 2012 From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:35:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] (Rev) William Boyd Moore In-Reply-To: <20ea.1715a171.3c55d71b@aol.com> References: <20ea.1715a171.3c55d71b@aol.com> Message-ID: <1327797302.65156.YahooMailNeo@web112601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> That's a hard family to trace!? Too many William Moore's in the Oregon Death Index on Ancestry to figure out which one he is.? Have you talked to the Methodist Church in Junction City?? Also, The archives of the UM Church are in Salem.? It is manned by volunteers and I don't think the phone gets answered full time.? United Methodist Archives, 680 State Street, Salem 97301, phone 503-540-0793.? The UM District Office is 680 State St., Suite 200, Salem, 97301 phone 503-581-3969 if you don't get through to the archives.? I traced the history of my great grandfather's UM career there, once he got to the Pacific NW.? Wow--go here:? http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=70590571.? Check out the note with the flowers... Linda Wiley, Sublimity ? ________________________________ From: "LinLouVan at aol.com" To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: [or-roots] (Rev) William Boyd Moore Can anyone on this list help with this person? Here is what I have. ? Martha Ann JANUARY (b. 13 May 1866 in Cottage Grove, Lane Co., Oregon) ????m. William Thomas SIMMONS (b. 12 Mar 1853 Lane Co., Oregon) ? They had two children: ????Samuel Bert SIMMONS (b. 1 Dec 1887; d. 5 Feb 1975) ????Lola Ethel SIMMONS (b. May 1889; d. 8 May 1971) ? William Thomas SIMMONS d. 25 Mar 1927 at Junction City, Lane Co., Oregon ? On 13 Dec 1931, Martha Ann JANUARY SIMMONS ????m. William Boyd Moore (in?a couple of places, Rev. William Boyd Moore) ? I? have found nothing else about Mr. Moore. ? Coincidentally, Lola Ethel SIMMONS first married Olaf Olsen who died in an automobile accident in 1918. An article in the "Junction City Times" says that the funeral services were held at Riverview Church "by Rev. Moore, pastor of the M. E. church here". ? Martha Ann Simmons Moore's death certificate, 20 Jul 1961, says she was a widow. Therefore, Mr. Moore must have died before that date. Her obituary in the "Junction City Times" identifies her as Mrs. Anna Simmons Moore, talks about her growing up in Cottage Grove, marrying William Simmons, living in the Riverview neighborhood since 1892. It mentions her two children, but other than the name, Mrs. Moore, says nothing about William B. Moore. ? Help! ? Linda VanOrden Junction City, Oregon _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From opera_70 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 28 16:55:28 2012 From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:55:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon In-Reply-To: <4F2491BB.9050101@janetvalade.com> Message-ID: <1327798528.56487.YahooMailClassic@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> One thing I didn't think of earlier is to look for company records at Universities. Also have you contacted any Historical or?Genealogical?groups in Longview, Washington? I would think a lot of timber that would have been harvested near Rainier would end up there. What you would be looking for at Universities would be payroll records and such, so if you don't have a specific company to search, I think that would be like a needle in a haystack, but the folks in Longview might be able to narrow your focus based on time frame. Les C PS; Some of my Melvin cousins who I know spent a lot of time in logging camps ended up not too far down the River from Rainier. --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Janet Valade wrote: From: Janet Valade Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon To: "or-roots mail list" Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 4:24 PM Since several people here seem to have researched and have materials on Oregon logging camps, I thought I would ask here about my grandfather. His name was Joseph Bauman. He was a logger in 1914 and for some time before that, but I don't know how long. He was a logger in 1922 and probably for some time after that, but I don't know how long. He and my grandmother lived in Rainier Oregon (Columbia County). They are in the 1920 census there, with my mother and uncle. He and my grandmother divorced in 1922. I assume he worked in a loggin camp somewhere near Rainier, but I'm not sure since I know he was gone for work for periods of time, at least sometimes, and not returning home every nite. I know he was working somewhere that he didn't come home every night in 1922. He was born in 1870 in Germany. He died in 1943 when he was living in Rainier. At that time, he had a shoe repair store. He living other places in between. I have his obit, but it's not that helpful. So, I thought I would put this out there, in case anyone researching this stuff ran across him or had some useful references. I also wanted to let you know that I have a book called "Homes in the Oregon Forest: Settling Columbia County, 1870 ? 1920". It's the chronicle, with pictures, of a group of families who were loggers in Maine. They came as a group to log in Astoria, Milton Creek Valley, and inland Columbia County. Deer Island. The family I am interested in is Emerson. Other names are Perry, Corliss, Howard, Briggs, Daggett, and others. If anyone thinks there might be information for them in this book, I'll be glad to look it up. Janet Russell Valade _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nancydean at columbia-center.org Sat Jan 28 17:24:24 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:24:24 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon In-Reply-To: <4F2491BB.9050101@janetvalade.com> References: <4F2491BB.9050101@janetvalade.com> Message-ID: Hi Janet, I live in St. Helens, OR. and they had the logging camps Yankton & up Pittsburg road 8 miles & further around Trenholm, OR. All over that area too.. My x husband lives in the cook house they use to move from camp to camp on 2 hugh cedar logs/trees. The 'turnaround for the train' was across the sreet. His house sits on the old railroad track & we found barrels of old rr pikes. They used to send the logs down Milton creek to the river. The Milton house is still there & in great shape.. The Chamber of Commerse & the Historical Society has phamlets & etc. you could email or write to them.. Nancy Your family? Lugurtha Grace Brothers (1917 - 2006) - Find A Grave Memorial www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=52267280Cached You +1'd this publicly. Undo May 11, 2010 ? Rainier Columbia County Oregon, USA. Death: Sep. 20, 2006. La Grande ... Born Lagurtha Grace Bauman. ... Joseph Bauman (1870 - 1943) ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Valade" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon Since several people here seem to have researched and have materials on Oregon logging camps, I thought I would ask here about my grandfather. His name was Joseph Bauman. He was a logger in 1914 and for some time before that, but I don't know how long. He was a logger in 1922 and probably for some time after that, but I don't know how long. He and my grandmother lived in Rainier Oregon (Columbia County). They are in the 1920 census there, with my mother and uncle. He and my grandmother divorced in 1922. I assume he worked in a loggin camp somewhere near Rainier, but I'm not sure since I know he was gone for work for periods of time, at least sometimes, and not returning home every nite. I know he was working somewhere that he didn't come home every night in 1922. He was born in 1870 in Germany. He died in 1943 when he was living in Rainier. At that time, he had a shoe repair store. He living other places in between. I have his obit, but it's not that helpful. So, I thought I would put this out there, in case anyone researching this stuff ran across him or had some useful references. I also wanted to let you know that I have a book called "Homes in the Oregon Forest: Settling Columbia County, 1870 ? 1920". It's the chronicle, with pictures, of a group of families who were loggers in Maine. They came as a group to log in Astoria, Milton Creek Valley, and inland Columbia County. Deer Island. The family I am interested in is Emerson. Other names are Perry, Corliss, Howard, Briggs, Daggett, and others. If anyone thinks there might be information for them in this book, I'll be glad to look it up. Janet Russell Valade _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. From nancydean at columbia-center.org Sat Jan 28 17:32:58 2012 From: nancydean at columbia-center.org (Nancy Lee Adams) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:32:58 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon In-Reply-To: <4F2491BB.9050101@janetvalade.com> References: <4F2491BB.9050101@janetvalade.com> Message-ID: <6198DA14313247C3966F3E3F91EAF745@NancyLeeAdamPC> Janet, I should have looked 1st at the Obit. Your the one who did it. Smiles, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Valade" To: "or-roots mail list" Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:24 PM Subject: [or-roots] Logging camps in western oregon Since several people here seem to have researched and have materials on Oregon logging camps, I thought I would ask here about my grandfather. His name was Joseph Bauman. He was a logger in 1914 and for some time before that, but I don't know how long. He was a logger in 1922 and probably for some time after that, but I don't know how long. He and my grandmother lived in Rainier Oregon (Columbia County). They are in the 1920 census there, with my mother and uncle. He and my grandmother divorced in 1922. I assume he worked in a loggin camp somewhere near Rainier, but I'm not sure since I know he was gone for work for periods of time, at least sometimes, and not returning home every nite. I know he was working somewhere that he didn't come home every night in 1922. He was born in 1870 in Germany. He died in 1943 when he was living in Rainier. At that time, he had a shoe repair store. He living other places in between. I have his obit, but it's not that helpful. So, I thought I would put this out there, in case anyone researching this stuff ran across him or had some useful references. I also wanted to let you know that I have a book called "Homes in the Oregon Forest: Settling Columbia County, 1870 ? 1920". It's the chronicle, with pictures, of a group of families who were loggers in Maine. They came as a group to log in Astoria, Milton Creek Valley, and inland Columbia County. Deer Island. The family I am interested in is Emerson. Other names are Perry, Corliss, Howard, Briggs, Daggett, and others. If anyone thinks there might be information for them in this book, I'll be glad to look it up. Janet Russell Valade _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. Questions related to message content should be directed to list owner(s) or the sender of the message, by phone or email. Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800. From PMML at MERITEL.NET Sat Jan 28 19:40:06 2012 From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:40:06 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 In-Reply-To: <8CEABB1FB57A050-CDC-7B2E@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> References: <1839806540.728712.1327545272601.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <8CEABB1FB57A050-CDC-7B2E@Webmail-m122.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: sorry On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:57 AM, wrote: > and this helps me with pdx orphanages how??? Please start your own thread > so I don;t waste my time! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha BradleyLuthy > To: or-roots mail list > Sent: Fri, Jan 27, 2012 8:42 pm > Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 > > My family to were loggers from Forest Grove and I to have many pictures. > Willing tro post some are listed and on postcards willing to > get them, Noticed Darnell have Darnells Mine is Amos Darnell moved to > Dufur area > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Roy Blaine wrote: > >> Mr. Jones, >> >> My family, too, were loggers in the "Greater" Cottage Grove area from >> the 1880s on. Contact me offline if you are interested in some pictures of >> old mills and logging op from those days in Lynx Hollow, etc. Owens, >> Wheeler, Darnell, mainly. >> >> Roy Blaine >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:34 PM, "Glen Jones" wrote: >> >> Les and Stephen >> Just for interest I have old photos of Diston Oregon also of the railroad >> bridge being >> built accross the Row River, my grandfather was a logger at Diston in >> 1910. >> I have cousins still in Cottage Grove. >> >> Glen Jones Portland >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *rowriver at aol.com >> *To: *or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us >> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:54:42 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 >> >> Hi Les, >> >> Thank you for the information. I will check this link. >> >> Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live >> somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena. >> In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and >> in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is >> Row River.... >> >> Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have >> heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being >> called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg >> grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story. >> >> If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you. >> >> Stephen Clark >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leslie Chapman >> To: or-roots mail list >> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 3:54 pm >> Subject: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 >> >> I came close to what you are probably looking for; >> >> http://gesswhoto.com/state-aided.html >> >> This page is from Oregon bluebook for 1929-30 and has been updated with >> reference to those homes still in existence for your contact convenience. >> >> I am curious about your email addy as it seems to indicate you live >> some where east of Cottage Grove, which is my home town. >> >> Les Chapman >> >> --- On *Fri, 1/20/12, rowriver at aol.com * wrote: >> >> >> From: rowriver at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [or-roots] Portland Area Orphanages c. 1923 >> >> Just trying to find the orphanage my dad was in before his grandmother >> got him to raise him... >> >> Thanks for any assistance. >> >> Stephen >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> or-roots mailing listor-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.ushttp://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots >> Hosted by the Oregon State Library. 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URL: From casebeer at jeffnet.org Tue Jan 31 12:14:29 2012 From: casebeer at jeffnet.org (Bob Casebeer) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:14:29 -0800 Subject: [or-roots] Newspapers online References: <1326688464.39827.YahooMailClassic@web160901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4F144708.3090908@ccountry.net> Message-ID: <4176388CE1CC479CA74D628345FE9A84@user5107e17ff3> Down here at the Talent Historical Society Museum, we have copies of abstracts from the Jacksonville Sentinel that local historians Lida Chiders abstracted stories from and created two indexes for same...one with names and the other with events. They did the same for several other Jacksonville old newspapers, the Ashland Tidjings, and early Medford papers as well. It is a real treasure trove of data available only in our Reference Library. To contact us use talenthistory at gmail.com, ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Steward To: or-roots mail list Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [or-roots] Newspapers online I'd like a copy. Sue S On 1/15/2012 8:34 PM, Leslie Chapman wrote: Someone on this list is connected to Genealogy in the Jacksonville area and I just clipped an item about the cemetery they might find interesting, it is an add in the Sentinel Oregon sentinel. (Jacksonville, Or.) 1858-1888, January 28, 1860 about the cemetery being surveyed etc and open for formal business. I didn't get a real good copy of it, But I can email it if interested. Les C _____________________________________________________ or-roots mailing list or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us http://listsmart.osl.state.or.us/mailman/listinfo/or-roots Hosted by the Oregon State Library. The Library is not responsible for content. 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