[or-roots] Row River Row
Linda Wiley
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Thu Jan 26 23:14:15 PST 2012
Stephen, what company were your Clark family in on the 1851 train? I hadn't heard about that massacre--my 2nd gr grandparents, Denny & Pernina Parrish McClure came in 1851--in the Hardin Company. They settled in Linn County. Pernina's father, Edward Evans Parrish and family came in 1844--saw that year mentioned in the listing on www.oregonpioneers.com. They settled near Jefferson in Marion County.
Linda McClure Wiley
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Jack,
Interesting. Maybe they knew each other in Illinois. My Clarks were from near Jacksonville, Morgan County, and some lived in Scott County. They arrived in Illinois about 1832.
Do you know what wagon train your family came to Oregon with. My Clarks came in 1851 and 1853. The former was the train known for the Clark Massacre in Idaho near Rock Creek and the 1853 train is known as the 'Lost Wagon Train of 1853."
The trail obviously was not kind to the Clarks.
Stephen Clark
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Stephen,
Very good... By the way, our Nichols were also from Morgan Co., IL. Although, my wife's grandfather, George A. Nichols was born at Table Rock, Jackson Co., OR in 1889... his dad, Edward F. Nichols was born in IL in 1849 and farmed there before emigrating to Oregon in the 1870's. His wife Anna Turnham was born in nearby Cass Co., IL just a few homesteads away on the county line.
Regards,
Jack Ciaccia
Boulder, CO
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Yes I am aware that the original Dorena is now at the bottom of the reservoir and that many homes, etc were submerged. I'm hoping that the Army Corp of Engineers has records and maybe photos. My ggg grandfathers DLC included the land at the south end where the river enters the lake near present day Vaughn County Park.
Does anyone know how to contact the Army Corp Division that would have been involved in building the Reservoir?
Thank you for all of your suggestions and help in solving this mystery so far.
Stephen Clark
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List,
My mother-in-law, Geneva A. (Nichols) Nickell, daughter of George A. Nichols and Mattie Stallsworth was born in what was Dorena, OR on the Row River back in 1914. From what I know about the area, the original town of Dorena is now under water in the Dorena Reservoir which, I believe was finished around 1949. The original schoolhouse would have been located there but was moved off of its foundation to about 5 miles north of the original spot and I think still is in use. So, if anyone was buried behind the original schoolhouse, they would be now under the water in the reservoir. I believe, according to family stories, that about 100 homes were flooded over once the reservoir was filled including the original house of my mother-in-law's family. They relocated to Willow Creek, just a little ways from Dorena. Finally settling in and around Lake Creek, OR where George and his father, Edward F. Nichols worked on the old Hanley Ranch for many years.
Jack Ciaccia
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Stephen
Unfortunatly I have run into that before also.
Glen Jones Portland
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Thanks Glen
Yes, I have and they have no other information other than the passage on Pg 153 in "Golden Was The Past."
The individual that contributed that information has passed away and no one knows her source.
Stephen
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Stephen
Have you checked with the Cottage Grove Historical Society or the Genealogy Society Their
also the Dorena Historical Society, they have a lot of info on the area.
Glen Jones Portland, Oregon
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Roy,
I have been trying to find my ggg grandfather's grave for 30 years, There is a statement in the "Golden Was The Past" that leads me to believe it may be about my Grandfather, George Clark (the victim of the Row). Its at the bottom of page 153 and says "One man lies in a lonely grave behind Dorena School as the result of a 'row' with his neighbor."
Do you know anything about this statement in the book.
Stephen Clark
ggg grandson of George Clark
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My grandmother, Dee Darnell, was one of the contributors in the excellent little book "Golden Was the Past.". She took my cousin and I swimming at a hole on Row River back in 1970. I remember her telling us it was NOT "Roe River" and not about paddling a boat, but about the feud between the Clarks and Southwells.
- For what it's worth, the streets never did turn to gold. :-}
Roy Blaine
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On Jan 25, 2012, at 6:53 PM, rowriver at aol.com wrote:
Les,
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>That's one I had not heard.
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>The most generally accepted story regarding the renaming of the Row River follows:
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>In the mid 1800s this river was known as the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette River. Early Oregon Pioneers that settled along the river which runs from the Cascades west to the Willamette near present day Cottage Grove.
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>These Pioneers always felt that the name was much too difficult to pronounce. It just did not roll off the tongue very easily so, almost from the beginning of settlement, the community was trying to come up with a name that was more suitable, easier to say but could not agree.
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>At this same time two families that had DLCs in the area, the Clarks and the Southwells, were embroiled in a bitter 'row' or feud that went back to their roots in Yorkshire, England and Morgan County, Illinois. They were, by the way related through marriage.
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>Everyone along the river was aware of this feud... In the spring of 1868, March 27th this 'row' boiled over and a confrontation between Joseph Southwell; his sons Benjamin, Edwin, and John and George Clark erupted. The dispute is generally thought to have been over land and sheep. During this confrontation George Clark was shot in the back by one of the Southwells and killed.
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>The other residents along the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette declared the Clark/Southwell 'row" at an end and agreed to rename the river the Row River in honor of George Clark.
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>George Clark was my ggg grandfather.
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>So when I was setting up my email accounts I chose rowriver as a tribute to my grandfather. It is a good story anyway... Hope you enjoyed it.
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>Stephen
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>Off the top of my head I seem to remember seeing or hearing something in some of the histories lately about the "Bucket of Blood" or some such tavern up toward Dorena or past it (Seems like it had a legitimate name too?) where as much entertainment was had by the loggers trying to knock each other's teeth out every Saturday night as they had by drinking and dancing. I assume that is the story you are referring too?
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>Les C
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>To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
>>Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 4:54 PM
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>>HiLes,
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>>Thank you for the information. I will check this link.
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>>Yes, I can see how my email address would lead you to think I live somewhere between Cottage Grove and Dorena.
>>In fact I'm a native San Diegan. I did live in Cottage Grove in 2002 and in Eugene from 2003 to 2006. That is not, however, the reason my email is Row River....
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>>Being from Cottage Grove and interested in genealogy perhaps you have heard the story of how the Row River became the Row after originally being called the North Fork of the Middle Fork of the Willamette. My ggg grandfather was the George Clark referenced in this story.
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>>If you haven't heard the story I'll be happy to share it with you.
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>>Stephen Clark
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