From pmml at meritel.net  Mon Apr  1 06:18:04 2013
From: pmml at meritel.net (Marsha Bradley-Luthy)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 06:18:04 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Which James McCubbins?
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Les there are original documents to space there at the forest service office on the original survey have the document office on silverton rd great historical records

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> Nancy; 
> 
> Which James McCubbins is your grandfather? The one born in 1814 in Virginia, or of the two born in Missouri the one born in 1849 or 1852? 
> 
> I am assuming the latter as he is the one in the Salem area in the 1870 census and the reason I ask is he is living in Howell Prairie which happens to have it's own cemetery with burials back to at least 1857. No McCubbins in it, but I don't know how good the records are that the online listings are from or whether there exist any early records.
> 
> Les
> 
> Howell, aka Howell Prairie, aka Hazelgreen aka Murphy-Howell - Salem Marion 1843                     
> 
> The Sign at the front of the Cemetery reads "1848 Howell Prairie Cemetery Dedicated in memory of E. Wilmeth Truenbach and those who contributed to its Preservation"    
> 
> 
> <
> Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will
> 
> I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is buried on the land.
>  
> Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams
> St. Helens, OR.
> <
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From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  1 09:03:21 2013
From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [or-roots] Tiller in 1900 Census
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Les, check find a grave for Rondeau--even a cemetery named for them in Tiller!? Lots of info on Ancestry.? Can do some look ups later today possibly.? Jean Baptiste Thomas went by Thomas or Tom.? Several of the family buried in that little cemetery in Tiller.? I didn't find them in Perdue Prescinct in 1900.? Gotta go--DAR meeting!? Later.? Linda

?



________________________________
 From: Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com>
To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:07 PM
Subject: [or-roots] Tiller in 1900 Census
 

I think I am looking for the the Jean Baptiste Thomas Rondeau family in the 1900 census; I have a WW I draft registration card for Walter Joseph who I am assuming is the Walter I list for one of the children of the former. It lists his place of birth as Tiller and says he is working for Tom Rondeau in 1917. I find no listing for either of them in 1900 on Family search or any way I can tweak Heritage Quest. I am sure it wouldn't take me long to find them if they are in the census which I am beginning to doubt, but?Heritage?Quest doesn't have Tiller or anything else I recognize as being from the south Umpqua drainage but Canyonville unless Tiller is Perdue precinct. Does anyone know for sure if Perdue is Tiller in the 1900 Census?

Les C
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From pmml at meritel.net  Mon Apr  1 10:58:48 2013
From: pmml at meritel.net (Marsha Bradley-Luthy)
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:58:48 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Stationery engineer
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Uncle Sherman? 

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On Mar 28, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I guess the question then would be if "millwright" was in the vocabulary in 1920; it would have been a much clearer term. 
> 
> And yes Bill I knew Donkey's weren't "stationary" hence my confusion. If you ever get a chance to check out the Douglas County museum in Roseburg notice the name on the Steam donkey out front; it was donated by my Uncle Sherman, his wife and Lee Monteith's wife were sisters. I think somewhere in their display they have a picture of Uncle moving it up Yellow Butte. One of my earliest memories is taking the old road from Phillips Ranch up to Yellow Butte when I was seven or so and Dad pointing out a slope he yarded that thing up at the time the picture was taken. It was incredibly steep
> 
> Les
> 
> From: Bill & Chris Strickland <lechevrier at q.com>
> To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [or-roots] Stationery engineer
> 
> Another term for a stationary engineer is "millwright" -- and those old logging donkeys were not stationary -- they were self-powered via winching themselves on the skids (large logs, typically) on which they were mounted.
> 
> Bill Strickland
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Mon Apr  1 23:44:43 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 00:44:43 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] Proposed OR House Bill 2093 closes all Vital records for
	125 years
Message-ID: <515A7E5B.90607@sampubco.com>

I was alerted to this yesterday.

How many of you are AWARE of Legslative attempt to restrict access to 
births, marriages and deaths further? And using pretext to declare 
emergency to start enforcing it effective January 1, 2014

State agency is trying to sneak it through.

Currently
Births, 100 years
Marriages, 75 years
Deaths, 50 years

They want to change them to
Births, 125 years
Marriages, 100 years
Deaths, 75 years
PLUS black out all mention of health information, even on death 
certificates.

W. David Samuelsen

The summary is below and the link to the full text is here.

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measures/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.html

House Bill 2093

Introduced and printed pursuant to House Rule 12.00. Presession
   filed (at the request of Governor John A. Kitzhaber, M.D., for
   Oregon Health Authority)


                              SUMMARY

The following summary is not prepared by the sponsors of the
measure and is not a part of the body thereof subject to
consideration by the Legislative Assembly. It is an editor's
brief statement of the essential features of the measure as
introduced.

   Makes changes to provisions of law related to vital statistics
to reflect 2011 Revision to Model State Vital Statistics Act.
Appropriates fee moneys collected under provisions to Oregon
Health Authority for purpose of administering provisions.
   Becomes operative January 1, 2014.
   Declares emergency, effective on passage.

                         A BILL FOR AN ACT
Relating to vital statistics; creating new provisions; amending
   ORS 33.430, 33.460, 106.100, 109.094, 112.582, 113.145,
   114.525, 127.815, 130.370, 146.045, 146.095, 146.121, 176.740,
   180.320, 247.570, 416.430, 432.005, 432.010, 432.015, 432.030,
   432.035, 432.075, 432.085, 432.090, 432.105, 432.115, 432.121,
   432.124, 432.140, 432.142, 432.146, 432.165, 432.180, 432.206,
   432.230, 432.235, 432.240, 432.285, 432.287, 432.307, 432.312,
   432.317, 432.327, 432.333, 432.405, 432.408, 432.412, 432.415,
   432.420, 432.430, 432.993, 432.995, 677.518, 678.375, 684.030,
   685.050 and 692.405; repealing ORS 432.040, 432.080, 432.095,
   432.119, 432.122, 432.130 and 432.300; appropriating money; and
   declaring an emergency.




From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Tue Apr  2 10:05:57 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 11:05:57 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] House Bill 2093 restricting access to certificates
Message-ID: <515B0FF5.3020104@sampubco.com>

The person who is pushing for it.  Permission is granted to circulate to 
as many as you can, get the people to contact their state 
representatives to vote down the bill.

The Governor HIMSELF!

Here is the statement at the beginning of the bill
http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measures/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.html

"Introduced and printed pursuant to House Rule 12.00. Presession
   filed (at the request of Governor John A. Kitzhaber, M.D., for
   Oregon Health Authority)"


From mygen2 at d-matney.com  Tue Apr  2 11:30:28 2013
From: mygen2 at d-matney.com (DJ)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:30:28 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Darlene 
  To: or-roots mail list 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093


  Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.


  On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote:

          I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every one's approval; 


          Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;


          My favorite genealogical list has had the following bill brought to our attention;


          House Bill 2093


          http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf


          Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences.


          For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy MasterCard I recently signed on to a web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better. I bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address and current phone number. In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone. 


          A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization.


          Yours respectfully: 

     

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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Tue Apr  2 12:12:10 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 13:12:10 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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not practical per the successes in other states.

Better to do direct contacts if you can. There's greater chance of many 
who do not do genealogy and do care about access.

W. David Samuelsen

On 4/2/2013 12:30 PM, DJ wrote:
> *Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites?*
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Darlene <mailto:darlene at thecasteels.net>
>     *To:* or-roots mail list <mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>
>     Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.
>
>     On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote:
>>     I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every
>>     one's approval;
>>
>>     Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;
>>
>>     My favorite genealogical list has had the following bill brought
>>     to our attention;
>>
>>     House Bill 2093
>>
>>     http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf
>>
>>     Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek
>>     adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public
>>     cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may
>>     see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and
>>     creation of phony identification. In reality all it will
>>     accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the
>>     genealogical community and have little or no effect on those
>>     intended consequences.
>>
>>     For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy MasterCard I recently signed
>>     on to a web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital
>>     records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the
>>     information I want the better. I bought it because a cousin was
>>     wanting to contact an ex wife of her brother; boom for an
>>     additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address and current
>>     phone number. In many states this service provides actual copies
>>     of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is
>>     a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone.
>>
>>     A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level
>>     of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have.
>>     If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records
>>     keeping, they should be administratively handled within our
>>     current vital statistics organization.
>>
>>     Yours respectfully:
>>
>>
>>
>>     _____________________________________________________
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>>     Technical questions? Call 503-378-8800.
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From whitehillranch at centurytel.net  Tue Apr  2 13:38:41 2013
From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Diane)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 13:38:41 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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Great--thanks for an outline letter.....am going to reword this a little....we need to add genetic genealogy as necessary.  Today many physicians are asking genetic questions of their patients and this is excellent for our health and that of our children.  Genetic genealogy has eased the mind of my cousin who had stage 4 cancers....yes plural..and because of the genetic testing, her children are not prone.  She was an oddity.  She is the single mother of a 14 year old and a 4 year old.  After much medication and chemo, she will survive.  But, without the history of her parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, and grandparents, she would not have been able to receive the attention and probably the cure.  She is a test case.  
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: DJ 
  To: or-roots mail list 
  Sent: 02 April, 2013 11:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093


  Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites?
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Darlene 
    To: or-roots mail list 
    Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM
    Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093


    Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.


    On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote:

            I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every one's approval; 


            Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;


            My favorite genealogical list has had the following bill brought to our attention;


            House Bill 2093


            http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf


            Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences.


            For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy MasterCard I recently signed on to a web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better. I bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address and current phone number. In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone. 


            A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization.


            Yours respectfully: 

       

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From ssteward at ccountry.net  Tue Apr  2 15:21:53 2013
From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:21:53 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: RE: House Bill 2093
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This is a response to the e-mail I sent to the speaker of the House.  As 
has already been mentioned, she indicates it is the Governor's office 
that requested it.


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	RE: House Bill 2093
Date: 	Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:59:55 +0000
From: 	Rep Kotek <rep.tinakotek at state.or.us>
To: 	Sue Steward <ssteward at ccountry.net>



Harold and Sue,

Thank you for e-mailing Speaker Kotek in regard to HB 2093. *The 
Governor's Office requested the bill and it is currently in the House 
Committee on Health Care. The Speaker's Office has also referred it to 
the Ways and Means Committee, due to the fiscal impact you cited. 
Speaker Kotek's office appreciates your comments and will take them into 
account as the discussion unfolds. *

Thank you.

Hannah Fisher, Legislative Assistant

State Representative Tina Kotek

Speaker of the House

North/NE Portland, House District 44

(503) 286-0558 District | (503) 986-1444 Salem

900 Court Street NE, H-296

Salem, OR 97301

rep.tinakotek at state.or.us

*From:*Sue Steward [mailto:ssteward at ccountry.net]
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:32 PM
*To:* Rep Esquivel; Rep Richardson; Rep Kotek; Rep McLane
*Subject:* House Bill 2093

As an individual/family very interested in genealogy I participate in 
OR-Roots genealogical list.  Through this list we've been made aware of 
House Bill 2093.

http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf

Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 
25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access 
vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as 
strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony 
identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more 
difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no 
effect on those intended consequences.

For a fee you can have a subscription/membership to a web service that 
pretty much gives you access to the vital records of anyone I want 
information on, the more recent the information I want the better.  In 
many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the 
intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn 
door after the horse is gone.

A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of 
State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there 
are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they 
should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics 
organization.

Yours respectfully,
Harold E. & Nelda S Steward
2605 Samoan Way
Medford, OR  97504



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From ssteward at ccountry.net  Tue Apr  2 15:23:40 2013
From: ssteward at ccountry.net (Sue Steward)
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 15:23:40 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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Diane, I didn't even think about the genetic issues but that is a very 
good point.

Sue

On 4/2/2013 1:38 PM, Diane wrote:
> Great--thanks for an outline letter.....am going to reword this a 
> little....we need to add genetic genealogy as necessary.  Today many 
> physicians are asking genetic questions of their patients and this is 
> excellent for our health and that of our children. Genetic genealogy 
> has eased the mind of my cousin who had stage 4 cancers....yes 
> plural..and because of the genetic testing, her children are not 
> prone.  She was an oddity.  She is the single mother of a 14 year old 
> and a 4 year old.  After much medication and chemo, she will survive.  
> But, without the history of her parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, 
> and grandparents, she would not have been able to receive the 
> attention and probably the cure.  She is a test case.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* DJ <mailto:mygen2 at d-matney.com>
>     *To:* or-roots mail list <mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>     *Sent:* 02 April, 2013 11:30 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>
>     *Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites?*
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Darlene <mailto:darlene at thecasteels.net>
>         *To:* or-roots mail list
>         <mailto:or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>
>         Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.
>
>         On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote:
>>         I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets
>>         every one's approval;
>>
>>         Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;
>>
>>         My favorite genealogical list has had the following bill
>>         brought to our attention;
>>
>>         House Bill 2093
>>
>>         http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf
>>
>>         Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to
>>         seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general
>>         public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many
>>         people may see this as strengthening safeguards against
>>         identity theft and creation of phony identification. In
>>         reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult
>>         for we in the genealogical community and have little or no
>>         effect on those intended consequences.
>>
>>         For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy MasterCard I recently
>>         signed on to a web service that pretty much gives me access
>>         to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the
>>         more recent the information I want the better. I bought it
>>         because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her
>>         brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e.
>>         exact address and current phone number. In many states this
>>         service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent
>>         is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the
>>         barn door after the horse is gone.
>>
>>         A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new
>>         level of State government at a time when we can't pay for
>>         what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be
>>         made in records keeping, they should be administratively
>>         handled within our current vital statistics organization.
>>
>>         Yours respectfully:
>>
>>
>>
>>         _____________________________________________________
>>         or-roots mailing list
>>         or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
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From oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  2 15:57:34 2013
From: oregontrail1851 at yahoo.com (Linda Wiley)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 15:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: RE: House Bill 2093
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I think we need to flood the speaker's email box!? My representative's office replied they didn't have knowledge of the bill and thanked me for telling them about it.? I also mentioned medical family research.

Linda Wiley


?



________________________________
 From: Sue Steward <ssteward at ccountry.net>
To: OR-ROOTS <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:21 PM
Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: RE: House Bill 2093
 

This is a response to the e-mail I sent to the speaker of the House.? As has already been mentioned, she indicates it is the Governor's office that requested it.



-------- Original Message -------- 
Subject: RE: House Bill 2093 
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:59:55 +0000 
From: Rep Kotek <rep.tinakotek at state.or.us> 
To: Sue Steward <ssteward at ccountry.net> 

 
Harold and Sue, 
?
Thank you for e-mailing Speaker Kotek in regard to HB 2093. The Governor?s Office requested the bill and it is currently in the House Committee on Health Care. The Speaker?s Office has also referred it to the Ways and Means Committee, due to the fiscal impact you cited. Speaker Kotek?s office appreciates your comments and will take them into account as the discussion unfolds. 
?
Thank you. 
?
Hannah Fisher, Legislative Assistant
State Representative Tina Kotek
Speaker of the House
North/NE Portland, House District 44
?
(503) 286-0558 District | (503) 986-1444 Salem
900 Court Street NE, H-296
Salem, OR 97301
rep.tinakotek at state.or.us
?
?
?
From:Sue Steward [mailto:ssteward at ccountry.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:32 PM
To: Rep Esquivel; Rep Richardson; Rep Kotek; Rep McLane
Subject: House Bill 2093
?
As an individual/family very interested in genealogy I participate in OR-Roots genealogical?list.? Through this list we've been made aware of House Bill 2093.
?
http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf
?
Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences.
?
For a fee you can have a subscription/membership to a web service that pretty much gives you access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better.? In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone.?
?
A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization.
?
Yours respectfully,
Harold E. & Nelda S Steward
2605 Samoan Way
Medford, OR? 97504


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From l.horine at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 16:28:46 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 23:28:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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let me just join in this discussion - - the genetic issue is a wonderful point and should be discussed as a major item , especially if there is talk of reducing the amount of information to be put on the certificate.? That is how my family discovered the presence of a strain of cancer in my grandfather and in my cousin - - who knew - - 



The bill is actually a "model" that is going around the country and I suspect it was picked up by staff of the Oregon Health Authority as they are monitoring such things - may or may not have been a specific notion of the Governor's, but as you note the language it was introduced by the Gov at the request of the Oregon Health Authority, and as they hear about "improvements" from other states, there is a temptation to adopt them without fully reviewing what we call "unintended consequences" that crop up.? Someone may have thought it was a great way to stop ID theft - and as we all well know (and has been well cited here) anybody with $39.95 can purchase a boatload of information that can be purloined for nefarious schemes! (Actually in reading the initial statement by staff of the Health Authority, it is to bring national uniformity - although there is testimony about the value of that as well.) 



The initial testimony on this bill was in February, 2013 and the -3 amendments were proposed on March 23, but have not been adopted.? Mary Beth Herkert, from Archives, has given testimony on the concerns with the proposed legislation that closely parallels that expressed?by or-roots participants - The funeral directors have also expressed concerns as well as an interest in reworking the proposal.? The unadopted proposed amendments made the bill quite a bit longer - - 30 pages at least. 



The Health Authority is more interested in uniformity of national data - - and that completely misses the point of the interest of families in their heritage - we tend to see the human side, and data folks want things neat and concise and countable - - 



At this time, no further committee meetings have been scheduled as far as I can see on the Legislative Information System - I will keep watching.? Meanwhile, our personal contacts with our own legislators from our own districts is most helpful - to be sure they understand the larger picture of family history - -and personal stories - - 


'lyn Horine 


----- Original Message -----


From: "Sue Steward" <ssteward at ccountry.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:23:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093 


Diane, I didn't even think about the genetic issues but that is a very good point. 

Sue 

On 4/2/2013 1:38 PM, Diane wrote: 



Great--thanks for an outline letter.....am going to reword this a little....we need to add genetic genealogy as necessary.? Today many physicians are asking genetic questions of their patients and this is excellent for our health and that of our children.? Genetic genealogy has eased the mind of my cousin who had stage 4 cancers....yes plural..and because of the genetic testing, her children are not prone.? She was an oddity.? She is the single mother of a 14 year old and a 4 year old.? After much medication and chemo, she will survive.? But, without the history of her parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, and grandparents, she would not have been able to receive the attention and probably the cure.? She is a test case.? 
<blockquote>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: DJ 
To: or-roots mail list 
Sent: 02 April, 2013 11:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093 


Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites? 
<blockquote>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Darlene 
To: or-roots mail list 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093 

Fantastic letter.? Beautifully said. 


On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote: 

<blockquote>
I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every one's approval; 



Dear Senator Arnold Roblan; 


My favorite?genealogical?list has had the following bill brought to our attention; 


House Bill 2093 


http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf 


Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences. 


For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy?MasterCard?I recently signed on to a web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better. I bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address and current phone number. In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone.? 


A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization. 


Yours respectfully: 

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From opera_70 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  2 16:57:05 2013
From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 16:57:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [or-roots] : House Bill 2093
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Just want to remind you all it is HOUSE Bill 2093 and again I apologize for screwing that up in my post, I do note I worded it correctly inside my email.

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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 17:50:21 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:50:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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This is an important part of the issue I was always told a sister had died of an eye disease 

when I got her death certificate she had died of TB when I told my doctor this I was 

tested right away to be sure I was not a Carrier, a person who?I do volunteer 

work with, her entire family is being wa tched by health services ?because of 

family heath history. 

I will not go into what?I think of our federal government because I cannot be nice. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Steward" <ssteward at ccountry.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:23:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093 


Diane, I didn't even think about the genetic issues but that is a very good point. 

Sue 

On 4/2/2013 1:38 PM, Diane wrote: 



Great--thanks for an outline letter.....am going to reword this a little....we need to add genetic genealogy as necessary.? Today many physicians are asking genetic questions of their patients and this is excellent for our health and that of our children.? Genetic genealogy has eased the mind of my cousin who had stage 4 cancers....yes plural..and because of the genetic testing, her children are not prone.? She was an oddity.? She is the single mother of a 14 year old and a 4 year old.? After much medication and chemo, she will survive.? But, without the history of her parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, and grandparents, she would not have been able to receive the attention and probably the cure.? She is a test case.? 
<blockquote>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: DJ 
To: or-roots mail list 
Sent: 02 April, 2013 11:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093 


Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites? 
<blockquote>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Darlene 
To: or-roots mail list 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093 

Fantastic letter.? Beautifully said. 


On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote: 

<blockquote>
I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every one's approval; 



Dear Senator Arnold Roblan; 


My favorite?genealogical?list has had the following bill brought to our attention; 


House Bill 2093 


http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf 


Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences. 


For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy?MasterCard?I recently signed on to a web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better. I bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address and current phone number. In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone.? 


A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization. 


Yours respectfully: 

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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Tue Apr  2 17:53:07 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:53:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: RE: House Bill 2093
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I ha ve sent an Email to the Governor's office as well as 

State Senator, State Rep and the office who submitted the 

bill for the Governor. 



Glen Jones? 






----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Steward" <ssteward at ccountry.net> 
To: "OR-ROOTS" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:21:53 PM 
Subject: [or-roots] Fwd: RE: House Bill 2093 

This is a response to the e-mail I sent to the speaker of the House.? As has already been mentioned, she indicates it is the Governor's office that requested it. 



-------- Original Message -------- Subject: 	RE: House Bill 2093 
Date: 	Tue, 2 Apr 2013 21:59:55 +0000 
From: 	Rep Kotek <rep.tinakotek at state.or.us> 
To: 	Sue Steward <ssteward at ccountry.net> 




Harold and Sue, 

? 

Thank you for e-mailing Speaker Kotek in regard to HB 2093. The Governor?s Office requested the bill and it is currently in the House Committee on Health Care. The Speaker?s Office has also referred it to the Ways and Means Committee, due to the fiscal impact you cited. Speaker Kotek?s office appreciates your comments and will take them into account as the discussion unfolds. 

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Thank you. 

? 

Hannah Fisher, Legislative Assistant 

State Representative Tina Kotek 

Speaker of the House 

North/NE Portland, House District 44 

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(503) 286-0558 District | (503) 986-1444 Salem 

900 Court Street NE, H-296 

Salem, OR 97301 

rep.tinakotek at state.or.us 

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From: Sue Steward [ mailto:ssteward at ccountry.net ] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:32 PM 
To: Rep Esquivel; Rep Richardson; Rep Kotek; Rep McLane 
Subject: House Bill 2093 

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As an individual/family very interested in genealogy I participate in OR-Roots genealogical?list.? Through this list we've been made aware of House Bill 2093. 


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http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf 


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Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences. 


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For a fee you can have a subscription/membership to a web service that pretty much gives you access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better.? In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone.? 


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A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization. 


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Yours respectfully, 
Harold E. & Nelda S Steward 
2605 Samoan Way 
Medford, OR? 97504 


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From: kwillie369 at gmail.com (Kala Williams)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 18:19:11 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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Thank You


On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:28 PM, <l.horine at comcast.net> wrote:

> let me just join in this discussion - - the genetic issue is a wonderful
> point and should be discussed as a major item, especially if there is talk
> of reducing the amount of information to be put on the certificate.  That
> is how my family discovered the presence of a strain of cancer in my
> grandfather and in my cousin - - who knew - -
>
>
>
> The bill is actually a "model" that is going around the country and I
> suspect it was picked up by staff of the Oregon Health Authority as they
> are monitoring such things - may or may not have been a specific notion of
> the Governor's, but as you note the language it was introduced by the Gov
> at the request of the Oregon Health Authority, and as they hear about
> "improvements" from other states, there is a temptation to adopt them
> without fully reviewing what we call "unintended consequences" that crop
> up.  Someone may have thought it was a great way to stop ID theft - and as
> we all well know (and has been well cited here) anybody with $39.95 can
> purchase a boatload of information that can be purloined for nefarious
> schemes! (Actually in reading the initial statement by staff of the Health
> Authority, it is to bring national uniformity - although there is testimony
> about the value of that as well.)
>
>
>
> The initial testimony on this bill was in February, 2013 and the -3
> amendments were proposed on March 23, but have not been adopted.  Mary Beth
> Herkert, from Archives, has given testimony on the concerns with the
> proposed legislation that closely parallels that expressed by or-roots
> participants - The funeral directors have also expressed concerns as well
> as an interest in reworking the proposal.  The unadopted proposed
> amendments made the bill quite a bit longer - - 30 pages at least.
>
>
>
> The Health Authority is more interested in uniformity of national data - -
> and that completely misses the point of the interest of families in their
> heritage - we tend to see the human side, and data folks want things neat
> and concise and countable - -
>
>
>
> At this time, no further committee meetings have been scheduled as far as
> I can see on the Legislative Information System - I will keep watching.
> Meanwhile, our personal contacts with our own legislators from our own
> districts is most helpful - to be sure they understand the larger picture
> of family history - -and personal stories - -
>
> 'lyn Horine
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Sue Steward" <ssteward at ccountry.net>
> *To: *"or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:23:40 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>
> Diane, I didn't even think about the genetic issues but that is a very
> good point.
>
> Sue
>
> On 4/2/2013 1:38 PM, Diane wrote:
>
> Great--thanks for an outline letter.....am going to reword this a
> little....we need to add genetic genealogy as necessary.  Today many
> physicians are asking genetic questions of their patients and this is
> excellent for our health and that of our children.  Genetic genealogy has
> eased the mind of my cousin who had stage 4 cancers....yes plural..and
> because of the genetic testing, her children are not prone.  She was an
> oddity.  She is the single mother of a 14 year old and a 4 year old.  After
> much medication and chemo, she will survive.  But, without the history of
> her parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, and grandparents, she would not
> have been able to receive the attention and probably the cure.  She is a
> test case.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* DJ <mygen2 at d-matney.com>
> *To:* or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> *Sent:* 02 April, 2013 11:30 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>
> *Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web sites?*
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Darlene <darlene at thecasteels.net>
> *To:* or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>
> Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.
>
> On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote:
>
>   I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every one's
> approval;
>
>  Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;
>
> My favorite genealogical list has had the following bill brought to our
> attention;
>
> House Bill 2093
>
> http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf
>
> Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding
> 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital
> statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening
> safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In
> reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the
> genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended
> consequences.
>
> For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy MasterCard I recently signed on to a
> web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone
> I want information on, the more recent the information I want the better. I
> bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her
> brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address
> and current phone number. In many states this service provides actual
> copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a
> case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone.
>
> A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State
> government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are
> changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be
> administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization.
>
> Yours respectfully:
>
>
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Tue Apr  2 23:18:31 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 00:18:31 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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That is the problem, the model one was written by the paranoid people in 
the Federal government.

I had a very brief chat with the state registrar and got somewhat of a 
run-off instead.

Other states balked at it and went the opposite instead, going for more 
open access instead.

The Oregon health authority is more interested in trying to squeeze more 
$ from us. The State Archives is on the opposition.

Bottom line, if we can keep this bill from being scheduled for any 
meeting prior to April 8th, the bill will die. This I found out from the 
legislative liaison person with the Health Care Committee earlier today. 
No actions will be taken on any bill on and after this date cutoff. The 
person said the bill is not popular.

David Samuelsen

On 4/2/2013 5:28 PM, l.horine at comcast.net wrote:
> The bill is actually a "model" that is going around the country and I
> suspect it was picked up by staff of the Oregon Health Authority as they
> are monitoring such things -


From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Tue Apr  2 23:19:43 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 00:19:43 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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There weren't any amendments according to the Health Care committee when 
I talked with their contact person earlier today.

David Samuelsen

On 4/2/2013 5:28 PM, l.horine at comcast.net wrote:
> The initial testimony on this bill was in February, 2013 and the -3
> amendments were proposed on March 23, but have not been adopted.  Mary
> Beth Herkert, from Archives, has given testimony on the concerns with
> the proposed legislation that closely parallels that expressed by
> or-roots participants - The funeral directors have also expressed
> concerns as well as an interest in reworking the proposal.  The
> unadopted proposed amendments made the bill quite a bit longer - - 30
> pages at least.


From birdman_326 at msn.com  Wed Apr  3 00:00:25 2013
From: birdman_326 at msn.com (JOHN LAURA MCKINNEY)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 07:00:25 +0000
Subject: [or-roots] or-roots Digest, Vol 72, Issue 2
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Please, can you list his email address.  I can't find it listed anywhere on the net.  Thankyou,  Laura

From: or-roots-request at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Subject: or-roots Digest, Vol 72, Issue 2
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 12:00:37 -0700

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From: dsam52 at sampubco.com
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us; OREGON-L at rootsweb.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 00:44:43 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] Proposed OR House Bill 2093 closes all Vital records for	125 years

I was alerted to this yesterday.
 
How many of you are AWARE of Legslative attempt to restrict access to 
births, marriages and deaths further? And using pretext to declare 
emergency to start enforcing it effective January 1, 2014
 
State agency is trying to sneak it through.
 
Currently
Births, 100 years
Marriages, 75 years
Deaths, 50 years
 
They want to change them to
Births, 125 years
Marriages, 100 years
Deaths, 75 years
PLUS black out all mention of health information, even on death 
certificates.
 
W. David Samuelsen
 
The summary is below and the link to the full text is here.
 
http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measures/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.html
 
House Bill 2093
 
Introduced and printed pursuant to House Rule 12.00. Presession
   filed (at the request of Governor John A. Kitzhaber, M.D., for
   Oregon Health Authority)
 
 
                              SUMMARY
 
The following summary is not prepared by the sponsors of the
measure and is not a part of the body thereof subject to
consideration by the Legislative Assembly. It is an editor's
brief statement of the essential features of the measure as
introduced.
 
   Makes changes to provisions of law related to vital statistics
to reflect 2011 Revision to Model State Vital Statistics Act.
Appropriates fee moneys collected under provisions to Oregon
Health Authority for purpose of administering provisions.
   Becomes operative January 1, 2014.
   Declares emergency, effective on passage.
 
                         A BILL FOR AN ACT
Relating to vital statistics; creating new provisions; amending
   ORS 33.430, 33.460, 106.100, 109.094, 112.582, 113.145,
   114.525, 127.815, 130.370, 146.045, 146.095, 146.121, 176.740,
   180.320, 247.570, 416.430, 432.005, 432.010, 432.015, 432.030,
   432.035, 432.075, 432.085, 432.090, 432.105, 432.115, 432.121,
   432.124, 432.140, 432.142, 432.146, 432.165, 432.180, 432.206,
   432.230, 432.235, 432.240, 432.285, 432.287, 432.307, 432.312,
   432.317, 432.327, 432.333, 432.405, 432.408, 432.412, 432.415,
   432.420, 432.430, 432.993, 432.995, 677.518, 678.375, 684.030,
   685.050 and 692.405; repealing ORS 432.040, 432.080, 432.095,
   432.119, 432.122, 432.130 and 432.300; appropriating money; and
   declaring an emergency.
 
 
 


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To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us; OREGON at rootsweb.com
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:05:57 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] House Bill 2093 restricting access to certificates

The person who is pushing for it.  Permission is granted to circulate to 
as many as you can, get the people to contact their state 
representatives to vote down the bill.
 
The Governor HIMSELF!
 
Here is the statement at the beginning of the bill
http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measures/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.html
 
"Introduced and printed pursuant to House Rule 12.00. Presession
   filed (at the request of Governor John A. Kitzhaber, M.D., for
   Oregon Health Authority)"
 


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From: mygen2 at d-matney.com
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 11:30:28 -0700
Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093








Maybe we should put this on our Us Gen Web 
sites?

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Darlene 
  To: or-roots mail list 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
  
Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.


  On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman 
  wrote:

  
    
      
      
        I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it 
          meets every one's approval; 
          

          
          Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;
          

          My favorite genealogical list has had the 
          following bill brought to our attention;
          

          House Bill 2093
          

          http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf
          

          Our most important concern is the feature 
          that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which 
          the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that 
          many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity 
          theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will 
          accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical 
          community and have little or no effect on those intended 
          consequences.
          

          For a mere $39.95 with my handy 
          dandy MasterCard I recently signed on to a web service that 
          pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone I want 
          information on, the more recent the information I want the better. I 
          bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her 
          brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact 
          address and current phone number. In many states this service provides 
          actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect 
          identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse 
          is gone. 
          

          A further objection is that it appears to be 
          creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay 
          for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made 
          in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our 
          current vital statistics organization.
          

          Yours 
    respectfully:

     
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From l.horine at comcast.net  Wed Apr  3 00:09:33 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (Lyn Horine)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 00:09:33 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
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The proposed amendments were NOT adopted as I said earlier 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:19 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52 at sampubco.com> wrote:

> There weren't any amendments according to the Health Care committee when I talked with their contact person earlier today.
> 
> David Samuelsen
> 
> On 4/2/2013 5:28 PM, l.horine at comcast.net wrote:
>> The initial testimony on this bill was in February, 2013 and the -3
>> amendments were proposed on March 23, but have not been adopted.  Mary
>> Beth Herkert, from Archives, has given testimony on the concerns with
>> the proposed legislation that closely parallels that expressed by
>> or-roots participants - The funeral directors have also expressed
>> concerns as well as an interest in reworking the proposal.  The
>> unadopted proposed amendments made the bill quite a bit longer - - 30
>> pages at least.
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Wed Apr  3 00:30:57 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 01:30:57 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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whose email address?

The Governor?
http://www.oregon.gov/gov/pages/index.aspx

David Samuelsen

On 4/3/2013 1:00 AM, JOHN LAURA MCKINNEY wrote:
> Please, can you list his email address.  I can't find it listed anywhere
> on the net.  Thankyou,  Laura


From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Wed Apr  3 00:34:21 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 01:34:21 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 recap and suggestion
Message-ID: <515BDB7D.1020208@sampubco.com>

I see there are conflicting pieces of information coming out of the 
Legislative.

"The initial testimony on this bill was in February, 2013 and the -3 
amendments were proposed on March 23, but have not been adopted.  Mary 
Beth Herkert, from Archives, has given testimony on the concerns with 
the proposed legislation that closely parallels that expressed by 
or-roots participants - The funeral directors have also expressed 
concerns as well as an interest in reworking the proposal.  The 
unadopted proposed amendments made the bill quite a bit longer - - 30 
pages at least."

This is not what I got when I called yesterday. Told no action was taken 
on the HB 2093.

What do we want?

1. Outright killing the bill
2. Adoption of provisions used by Missouri, Arizona and other states in 
making them accessible to the public.

Let's face the fact State of Oregon has budget woes.

We can help them along the way out of that

1. Request the representatives gut the bill outright with a substitution 
instead, calling for adoption of provisions that enabled Missouri, 
Arizona and other states to place the records online

or

2. kill the bill outright and introduce a replacement bill in next 
year's limited session after all stake holders having their say and take 
into consideration the provisions that enabled Missouri, Arizona and 
other states to put their state records online.

Certified copies continue to be available from the bureau in Portland, 
along with slight increase in fees with the increase to fund certain 
services such as
a. marriage license fees to fund in part the mental and domestic abuse 
services
b. birth certificates - funding state CHIP
c. death certificates - funding what should be it?

Allow State Archives to increase fees for copy of certificates (they are 
not certified at all, can not be used for legal purposes.)
Currently $5.00 in state, $10.00 out of state
to ??

Any comments?

(Mary Beth Herkert, are you watching this list?)

W. David Samuelsen


From l.horine at comcast.net  Wed Apr  3 01:14:52 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (Lyn Horine)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 01:14:52 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 recap and suggestion
In-Reply-To: <515BDB7D.1020208@sampubco.com>
References: <515BDB7D.1020208@sampubco.com>
Message-ID: <21B08916-48B9-4740-8AE5-E314007A542A@comcast.net>

Guess I was not clear when I said NO action was taken.  No fees related to this bill can be increased without approval of Ways & Means...  This was an attempt to gain uniform nation wide data not raise revenue 
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2013, at 12:34 AM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52 at sampubco.com> wrote:

> I see there are conflicting pieces of information coming out of the Legislative.
> 
> "The initial testimony on this bill was in February, 2013 and the -3 amendments were proposed on March 23, but have not been adopted.  Mary Beth Herkert, from Archives, has given testimony on the concerns with the proposed legislation that closely parallels that expressed by or-roots participants - The funeral directors have also expressed concerns as well as an interest in reworking the proposal.  The unadopted proposed amendments made the bill quite a bit longer - - 30 pages at least."
> 
> This is not what I got when I called yesterday. Told no action was taken on the HB 2093.
> 
> What do we want?
> 
> 1. Outright killing the bill
> 2. Adoption of provisions used by Missouri, Arizona and other states in making them accessible to the public.
> 
> Let's face the fact State of Oregon has budget woes.
> 
> We can help them along the way out of that
> 
> 1. Request the representatives gut the bill outright with a substitution instead, calling for adoption of provisions that enabled Missouri, Arizona and other states to place the records online
> 
> or
> 
> 2. kill the bill outright and introduce a replacement bill in next year's limited session after all stake holders having their say and take into consideration the provisions that enabled Missouri, Arizona and other states to put their state records online.
> 
> Certified copies continue to be available from the bureau in Portland, along with slight increase in fees with the increase to fund certain services such as
> a. marriage license fees to fund in part the mental and domestic abuse services
> b. birth certificates - funding state CHIP
> c. death certificates - funding what should be it?
> 
> Allow State Archives to increase fees for copy of certificates (they are not certified at all, can not be used for legal purposes.)
> Currently $5.00 in state, $10.00 out of state
> to ??
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> (Mary Beth Herkert, are you watching this list?)
> 
> W. David Samuelsen
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Wed Apr  3 02:21:18 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 03:21:18 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 recap and suggestion
In-Reply-To: <21B08916-48B9-4740-8AE5-E314007A542A@comcast.net>
References: <515BDB7D.1020208@sampubco.com>
	<21B08916-48B9-4740-8AE5-E314007A542A@comcast.net>
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I understood you first time.

That concept of national wide data was trashed several times in several 
states already. Oregon is only one trying to follow as proposed by 
Federal Homeland Security.

Pennsylvania said no thanks, neither did Missouri, Arizona, Montana, 
Washington, Idaho, Utah, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Massachusetts 
and yes, even District of Columbia.

On 4/3/2013 2:14 AM, Lyn Horine wrote:
> Guess I was not clear when I said NO action was taken.  No fees related to this bill can be increased without approval of Ways & Means...  This was an attempt to gain uniform nation wide data not raise revenue
> Sent from my iPhone


From l.horine at comcast.net  Wed Apr  3 02:42:09 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (Lyn Horine)
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 02:42:09 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 recap and suggestion
In-Reply-To: <515BF48E.6000102@sampubco.com>
References: <515BDB7D.1020208@sampubco.com>
	<21B08916-48B9-4740-8AE5-E314007A542A@comcast.net>
	<515BF48E.6000102@sampubco.com>
Message-ID: <0E24B93A-A240-4359-A697-B68635694D9A@comcast.net>

And so should Oregon.  The bill should just die.  I read copies of the testimony and only the Health Authority staff was in support. I have no idea who tried to  craft the proposed amendments   But I believe the bill should simply die. I saw no evidence of any proposed hearings listed in our info system

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2013, at 2:21 AM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52 at sampubco.com> wrote:

> I understood you first time.
> 
> That concept of national wide data was trashed several times in several states already. Oregon is only one trying to follow as proposed by Federal Homeland Security.
> 
> Pennsylvania said no thanks, neither did Missouri, Arizona, Montana, Washington, Idaho, Utah, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Massachusetts and yes, even District of Columbia.
> 
> On 4/3/2013 2:14 AM, Lyn Horine wrote:
>> Guess I was not clear when I said NO action was taken.  No fees related to this bill can be increased without approval of Ways & Means...  This was an attempt to gain uniform nation wide data not raise revenue
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From pmml at meritel.net  Thu Apr  4 12:49:33 2013
From: pmml at meritel.net (Marsha Bradley-Luthy)
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:49:33 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] SB 2093
In-Reply-To: <515B5A6C.2020402@ccountry.net>
References: <1364408091.42210.YahooMailClassic@web141205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<51533E1F.6070702@thecasteels.net>
	<1C5429169F714E46B5FCFAE8CC0C9CFA@oregonu95dnf22>
	<AD16B825BB114E3BA58A13381EDA7C9A@dianet1nyozill>
	<515B5A6C.2020402@ccountry.net>
Message-ID: <D07D949F-FCB7-4BDC-8AAB-F278F8CDBDB4@meritel.net>

They now know that tumors have there own DNA sequence they give drugs chemo according to what works best for that tumor. My son has b 19 deprived.  What that means  is that seance of DNA was weak and that's where it failed.  Hope that helps

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 2, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Sue Steward <ssteward at ccountry.net> wrote:

> Diane, I didn't even think about the genetic issues but that is a very good point.
> 
> Sue
> 
> On 4/2/2013 1:38 PM, Diane wrote:
>> Great--thanks for an outline letter.....am going to reword this a little....we need to add genetic genealogy as necessary.  Today many physicians are asking genetic questions of their patients and this is excellent for our health and that of our children.  Genetic genealogy has eased the mind of my cousin who had           stage 4 cancers....yes plural..and because of the genetic testing, her children are not prone.  She was an oddity.  She is the single mother of a 14 year old and a 4 year old.  After much medication and chemo, she will survive.  But, without the history of her parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, and grandparents, she would not have been able to receive the attention and probably the cure.  She is a test case. 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: DJ
>> To: or-roots mail list
>> Sent: 02 April, 2013 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>> 
>> Maybe we should put this on our               Us Gen Web sites?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darlene
>> To: or-roots mail list
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 11:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [or-roots] SB 2093
>> 
>> Fantastic letter.  Beautifully said.
>> 
>> On 3/27/2013 11:14 AM, Leslie Chapman wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just fired this off to my state Senator, hope it meets every one's approval;
>>> 
>>> Dear Senator Arnold Roblan;
>>> 
>>> My favorite genealogical list has had the following bill brought to our attention;
>>> 
>>> House Bill 2093
>>> 
>>> http://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb2000.dir/hb2093.intro.pdf
>>> 
>>> Our most important concern is the feature that it appears to seek adding 25 years to the period of time which the general public cannot access vital statistics. I understand that many people may see this as strengthening safeguards against identity theft and creation of phony identification. In reality all it will accomplish is making life more difficult for we in the genealogical community and have little or no effect on those intended consequences.
>>> 
>>> For a mere $39.95 with my handy dandy MasterCard I recently signed on to a web service that pretty much gives me access to the vital records of anyone I want information on, the                           more recent the information I want the better. I bought it because a cousin was wanting to contact an ex wife of her brother; boom for an additional $2.95 for the "details" i.e. exact address and current phone number. In many states this service provides actual copies of documents. So if the intent is to protect identification, it is a case of closing the barn door after the horse is gone. 
>>> 
>>> A further objection is that it appears to be creating a new level of State government at a time when we can't pay for what we have. If there are changes that genuinely need to be made in records keeping, they should be administratively handled within our current vital statistics organization.
>>> 
>>> Yours respectfully:
>>> 
>>> 
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Thu Apr  4 21:59:22 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 22:59:22 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
Message-ID: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>

To all,

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924

Still in need of few more tweaking.

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to 
State Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105.

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark 
the uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard 
against identity theft. Wisconsin do this.

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health 
Bureau. What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted 
and the bill is?

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth 
records as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart 
the identity theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online 
like several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years 
for marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 
100), Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to 
name a few.

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age.

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian


From l.horine at comcast.net  Fri Apr  5 01:40:00 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (Lyn Horine)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 01:40:00 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
In-Reply-To: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
References: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
Message-ID: <717513EE-E5F4-4A24-8FD9-E9F73673E64E@comcast.net>

Wonderful job. Thanks for the analysis...we owe you a lot!  Lobbyists earn beaucoup bucks for that kind of work. Will you be at the hearing?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 4, 2013, at 9:59 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52 at sampubco.com> wrote:

> To all,
> 
> The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.
> 
> Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.
> 
> https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924
> 
> Still in need of few more tweaking.
> 
> 1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia changed from 125 to 105.
> 
> 2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against identity theft. Wisconsin do this.
> 
> 3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill is?
> 
> 4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.
> 
> 5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.
> 
> 6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet Age.
> 
> W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Fri Apr  5 07:30:14 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:30:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
In-Reply-To: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
Message-ID: <517079353.449889.1365172214406.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



This bill is entirely unneccesary and uncertified copies of 

records cannot be used for I/D and if a office is useing 

them for I/d then they are not following the correct 

procedures, this bill will not stop I/D theft and is not where 

i/d theives get there info. 

I could use stonger words of what I think about our Policical 

Officials. 

This Bill will cost taxpayer's M illions if not Billions in Taxes 

it seems Oregon is delibertly trying to run people out of the state 

in particular senior citizens, I know I would move if I was not 

one of those that is underwater. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam52 at sampubco.com> 
To: "Historic Cemeteries" <historiccemeteries at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>, "Or-Roots" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>, "Oregon" <OREGON at rootsweb.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 9:59:22 PM 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to 
State Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark 
the uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard 
against identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health 
Bureau. What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted 
and the bill is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth 
records as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart 
the identity theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online 
like several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years 
for marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 
100), Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to 
name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net  Fri Apr  5 11:47:25 2013
From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 11:47:25 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
In-Reply-To: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
References: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
Message-ID: <024001ce322e$03f7f7f0$0be7e7d0$@net>

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm
pretty sure they don't care what I think.

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?"  The
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and
postage.)

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat
In Tucson

-----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David
Samuelsen
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093

To all,

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924

Still in need of few more tweaking.

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia
changed from 125 to 105.

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against
identity theft. Wisconsin do this.

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill
is?

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet
Age.

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Fri Apr  5 12:00:39 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:00:39 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
In-Reply-To: <024001ce322e$03f7f7f0$0be7e7d0$@net>
References: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
	<024001ce322e$03f7f7f0$0be7e7d0$@net>
Message-ID: <515F1F57.30804@sampubco.com>

Motels, museums, libraries, restaurants, tourist traps, etc that can be 
used.

At least Oklahoma is exploiting genealogy for tourism. So is Ireland.

http://www.travelok.com/genealogy - Oklahoma Tourism and they got award 
from the FGS for that approach.

David Samuelsen

On 4/5/2013 12:47 PM, Kith-n-Kin wrote:
> As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel
> all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go
> there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit
> cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.
>
> The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless
> there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time).


From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Fri Apr  5 12:01:39 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:01:39 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
In-Reply-To: <024001ce322e$03f7f7f0$0be7e7d0$@net>
References: <515E5A2A.2060203@sampubco.com>
	<024001ce322e$03f7f7f0$0be7e7d0$@net>
Message-ID: <515F1F93.7090908@sampubco.com>

the very same items are FREE at familysearch.org

David Samuelsen

On 4/5/2013 12:47 PM, Kith-n-Kin wrote:
> By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the
> Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have
> grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the
> "information" that is being cried about is there!


From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Fri Apr  5 12:03:52 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:03:52 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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no, but the locals can handle this as well. They have the information 
necessary.

David Samuelsen

On 4/5/2013 2:40 AM, Lyn Horine wrote:
> Wonderful job. Thanks for the analysis...we owe you a lot!  Lobbyists earn beaucoup bucks for that kind of work. Will you be at the hearing?
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Fri Apr  5 16:08:25 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:08:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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A study was recently done and Heritage Tourism is the number one reason 

people visited Oregon. 

The study was commissioned by the Oregon Heritage Commission. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam52 at sampubco.com> 
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:00:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Motels, museums, libraries, restaurants, tourist traps, etc that can be 
used. 

At least Oklahoma is exploiting genealogy for tourism. So is Ireland. 

http://www.travelok.com/genealogy - Oklahoma Tourism and they got award 
from the FGS for that approach. 

David Samuelsen 

On 4/5/2013 12:47 PM, Kith-n-Kin wrote: 
> As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
> all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
> there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
> cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 
> 
> The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
> there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 
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From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 23:29:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost T axpayers Millions 

if not Billions to se tup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thie ves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 



I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 



Glen Jones 

Portland O regon? 



----- Original Message -----
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To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" ?The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From casebeer at jeffnet.org  Fri Apr  5 00:29:55 2013
From: casebeer at jeffnet.org (Bob Casebeer)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 00:29:55 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Tiller in 1900 Census
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les, there are Rondeaus in Glide, I went to high school there with one, and one of them worked for my brother in law logging for years. Bob Casebeer  P. S. They are from Tiller. 
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  Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:07 PM
  Subject: [or-roots] Tiller in 1900 Census


  I think I am looking for the the Jean Baptiste Thomas Rondeau family in the 1900 census; I have a WW I draft registration card for Walter Joseph who I am assuming is the Walter I list for one of the children of the former. It lists his place of birth as Tiller and says he is working for Tom Rondeau in 1917. I find no listing for either of them in 1900 on Family search or any way I can tweak Heritage Quest. I am sure it wouldn't take me long to find them if they are in the census which I am beginning to doubt, but Heritage Quest doesn't have Tiller or anything else I recognize as being from the south Umpqua drainage but Canyonville unless Tiller is Perdue precinct. Does anyone know for sure if Perdue is Tiller in the 1900 Census?


  Les C


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From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net  Sat Apr  6 11:35:36 2013
From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 11:35:36 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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Please, guys, don't get me wrong. "Obviously" here in Tucson we are also big on "heritage tourism."  But if "I" can find an argument that this won't affect tourism, so can someone else.   

 

Do people travel to Arizona because you can look up records on the internet? To Missouri because you can see dcs on the internet up to 1962? Probably not.

 

How many people are going to travel to Oregon "just" to get the records. Do you know? You should. I think that it's not too many, unless they have a whole bunch of records to get.  But how many will "add" this to a trip plan? Does the Archives keep stats on both where visitors are from, and what records they are accessing? Does the Bureau of Health? 

 

Last time I stopped by the archives (going from a basketball game in Eugene, back to Portland), my goal was to get one death certificate, and one other record, because the stop was convenient. 

Because I was already there, I took the time to look up, and retrieve, about eight others ($4 in copy fees). THAT is a significant savings over sending to the Archives from home and paying the staff to do that for me (+-$80).   Considering the number of records a person might need, that would make it worth it to plan a day or two at the archives.   

 

On other trips I have spent a day at the Mt. Angel archives, the Marion County Court records, trekking all over the place for cemeteries and property. . . .    THAT is also, and primarily "heritage tourism." What I can do on the computer, and save $1500 in travel, becomes a "nice to do," not a "have to do." 

 

My point is that when you are going to the legislature about the dates of access to records, you need to have your Canada Geese in a row.  This is, or should be, NOT an emotional issue, but when tourism goes up against privacy, guess who is going to win that argument. 

 

Suggest putting your guns where they do the most good, and that is discounting the myth that family history records are the source of identity theft!   There are plenty of studies "out there" that give the sources of identity theft, and a couple of great ones where genealogy was blamed, and later exonerated.  That needs to get to the legislature.   I just did a basic Google using < "identity theft" genealogy > and found thousands of hits. Some are preventative, some are selling you something, but a few are analyses of the problem.  One thing I found out is the ever expanding definition of "identity theft." Previously, I would think of ID theft as someone getting a credit card, loan, job, passport, access to my safe deposit box, or some other such activity. The biggest ID theft (as I understood it) was finding and using SSNs by people to get jobs. It didn't matter whether or not the person with the SSN was dead or alive, and there was no loss to the "victim" as the money just keeps flowing into his/her SS account. This was popular (may be still is) in the immigrant communities, where legitimate SSNs are hard to come by, on account of legal status. The primary source of information (SSNs, personal information) as I understand it, was trash and personal observation. 

Much has changed. 

One  blog on the subject I particularly like is: 

http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2013/02/genealogy-and-identity-theft.html 

I had no idea I had been the "victim" of identity theft (on the way back from Oregon, as the matter of fact) when my credit card information was lifted in a restaurant in the Las Vegas airport. Maybe a lesson on what ID theft is, and isn't, would help your legislature.  

And, Dick Eastman: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/11/the-easy-way-to-commit-identity-theft.html 

 

BTW, just went on the Archives site. Birth records are currently restricted for 100 years. Death for 50 years.  Could some logical person explain to me the difference of five years on the birth certificates? Really???? 

 

Pat

 

From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:08 PM
To: or-roots mail list
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A study was recently done and Heritage Tourism is the number one reason

people visited Oregon.

The study was commissioned by the Oregon Heritage Commission.

 

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From Kith-n-Kin at cox.net  Sat Apr  6 11:36:44 2013
From: Kith-n-Kin at cox.net (Kith-n-Kin)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 11:36:44 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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Glen

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat

 

From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM
To: or-roots mail list
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

 

Pat

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves

get there info.

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.

 

I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by

the Oregon Heritage Commission.

 

Glen Jones

Portland Oregon 

 

 

  _____  

From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm
pretty sure they don't care what I think.

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?"  The
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and
postage.)

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat
In Tucson

-----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David
Samuelsen
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093

To all,

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924

Still in need of few more tweaking.

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia
changed from 125 to 105.

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against
identity theft. Wisconsin do this.

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill
is?

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet
Age.

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Sat Apr  6 15:05:44 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 22:05:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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I was a victim of I/D Theft they got my info when I used a cordless 

phone and gave personal information. 

Anyone can go to? radio shack and buy a scanner that will pickup cell and cordess 

phone conversations, so you never want to give out SSI Numbers credit card numbers 

over a cordless or cell phone OR over wireless internet. 

Oregon Birth Records are closed for 72 years, death for 50, marriage v arys by county. 

Social Security publish's death records as soon as it is reported to them to prevent I/d Theft 

the more public records are, the easier it is to check to see if someones I/D is phoney, 

but try telling that to our politicians. 



Glen Jones 




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Please, guys, don't get me wrong. "Obviously" here in Tucson we are also big on "heritage tourism."? But if "I" can find an argument that this won't affect tourism, so can someone else. ?? 

? 

Do people travel to Arizona because you can look up records on the internet? To Missouri because you can see dcs on the internet up to 1962? Probably not. 

? 

How many people are going to travel to Oregon "just" to get the records. Do you know? You should. I think that it's not too many, unless they have a whole bunch of records to get. ?But how many will "add" this to a trip plan? Does the Archives keep stats on both where visitors are from, and what records they are accessing? Does the Bureau of Health? 

? 

Last time I stopped by the archives (going from a basketball game in Eugene, back to Portland), my goal was to get one death certificate, and one other record, because the stop was convenient. 

Because I was already there, I took the time to look up, and retrieve, about eight others ($4 in copy fees). THAT is a significant savings over sending to the Archives from home and paying the staff to do that for me (+-$80). ??Considering the number of records a person might need, that would make it worth it to plan a day or two at the archives.? ? 

? 

On other trips I have spent a day at the Mt. Angel archives, the Marion County Court records, trekking all over the place for cemeteries and property. . . .?? ?THAT is also, and primarily "heritage tourism." What I can do on the computer, and save $1500 in travel, becomes a "nice to do," not a "have to do." 

? 

My point is that when you are going to the legislature about the dates of access to records, you need to have your Canada Geese in a row. ?This is, or should be, NOT an emotional issue, but when tourism goes up against privacy, guess who is going to win that argument. 

? 

Suggest putting your guns where they do the most good, and that is discounting the myth that family history records are the source of identity theft!? ?There are plenty of studies "out there" that give the sources of identity theft, and a couple of great ones where genealogy was blamed, and later exonerated.? That needs to get to the legislature. ??I just did a basic Google using < "identity theft" genealogy > and found thousands of hits. Some are preventative, some are selling you something, but a few are analyses of the problem. ?One thing I found out is the ever expanding definition of "identity theft." Previously, I would think of ID theft as someone getting a credit card, loan, job, passport, access to my safe deposit box, or some other such activity. The biggest ID theft (as I understood it) was finding and using SSNs by people to get jobs. It didn't matter whether or not the person with the SSN was dead or alive, and there was no loss to the "victim" as the money just keeps flowing into his/her SS account. This was popular (may be still is) in the immigrant communities, where legitimate SSNs are hard to come by, on account of legal status. The primary source of information (SSNs, personal information) as I understand it, was trash and personal observation. 

Much has changed. 

One ?blog on the subject I particularly like is: 

http://genealogysstar.blogspot.com/2013/02/genealogy-and-identity-theft.html 

I had no idea I had been the "victim" of identity theft (on the way back from Oregon, as the matter of fact) when my credit card information was lifted in a restaurant in the Las Vegas airport. Maybe a lesson on what ID theft is, and isn't, would help your legislature. ? 

And, Dick Eastman: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/11/the-easy-way-to-commit-identity-theft.html 

? 

BTW, just went on the Archives site. Birth records are currently restricted for 100 years. Death for 50 years. ?Could some logical person explain to me the difference of five years on the birth certificates? Really???? 

? 

Pat 

? 



From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:08 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

? 


A study was recently done and Heritage Tourism is the number one reason 

people visited Oregon. 

The study was commissioned by the Oregon Heritage Commission. 

? 

Glen Jones 
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From l.horine at comcast.net  Sat Apr  6 17:16:27 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 00:16:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions - 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. 


'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 





From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 



I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 



Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon 





----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Sat Apr  6 17:41:10 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 00:41:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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Yes! Lyn there is the State Archives, I go there all the time, they 

want to create another agency, that would add another level of government 

and cost millions if not billions to setup and run, that is why the HB 2093 is being 

sent to Way's and Mean's to figure out how to raise the money. 

I have already said what they want to do is already covered by other agencies 

and State Statues, we do not need more Bureucrats. 

I am trying to be nice in my opinion of our politicians, which I do not 

think much of. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. ?As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -? 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. ? 


'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 

? 



From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

? 


Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 

? 

I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 

? 

Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon? 


? 

? 
----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" ?The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Sat Apr  6 17:44:00 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 00:44:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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OH! I should mention, NO Public hearings on this bill are scheduled 

the policians want to ramit down our throa ts. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. ?As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -? 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. ? 


'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 

? 



From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

? 


Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 

? 

I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 

? 

Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon? 


? 

? 
----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" ?The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From l.horine at comcast.net  Sat Apr  6 17:52:04 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 00:52:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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One hearing has already been held and another is scheduled. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:44:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




OH! I should mention, NO Public hearings on this bill are scheduled 

the policians want to ramit down our throats. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions - 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. 


'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 





From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 



I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 



Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon 





----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From l.horine at comcast.net  Sat Apr  6 17:56:41 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 00:56:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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sorry you don't think much of people in our Legislature, but NO ONE is trying to "ram anything down your throat" - the people who drafted the bill did not check what already exists and now that daylight is appearing, the bill is being rewritten. NO one is trying to create another agency, much less another level of government. I guess you could call me a bureaucrat because I work at the Capitol and I am sorry you have such a low opinion of any of us, but your information in this case is not right. Ways and Means does NOT try to find ways to raise money. 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:41:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Yes! Lyn there is the State Archives, I go there all the time, they 

want to create another agency, that would add another level of government 

and cost millions if not billions to setup and run, that is why the HB 2093 is being 

sent to Way's and Mean's to figure out how to raise the money. 

I have already said what they want to do is already covered by other agencies 

and State Statues, we do not need more Bureucrats. 

I am trying to be nice in my opinion of our politicians, which I do not 

think much of. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions - 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. 


'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 





From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 



I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 



Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon 





----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Sun Apr  7 06:43:51 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:43:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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I am talking about out elected Reps. no offense to the working people. 

We need to end this conversation on this list. 

Glen 




----- Original Message -----
From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:56:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


sorry you don't think much of people in our Legislature, but NO ONE is trying to "ram anything down your throat" - the people who drafted the bill did not check what already exists and now that daylight is appearing, the bill is being rewritten. ?NO one is trying to create another agency, much less another level of government. ?I guess you could call me a bureaucrat because I work at the Capitol and I am sorry you have such a low opinion of any of us, but your information in this case is not right. ?Ways and Means does NOT try to find ways to raise money. ? 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:41:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Yes! Lyn there is the State Archives, I go there all the time, they 

want to create another agency, that would add another level of government 

and cost millions if not billions to setup and run, that is why the HB 2093 is being 

sent to Way's and Mean's to figure out how to raise the money. 

I have already said what they want to do is already covered by other agencies 

and State Statues, we do not need more Bureucrats. 

I am trying to be nice in my opinion of our politicians, which I do not 

think much of. 

? 

Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. ?As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -? 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. ? 


'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 

? 



From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

? 


Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 

? 

I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 

? 

Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon? 


? 

? 
----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" ?The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Sun Apr  7 07:06:17 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:06:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093
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Please! when is the next one then I would like to attend if I can 
there has been no public announcement s far as I know. 

Direct Email glenkc7mbm at comcast.net 



Gken Jones 



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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:52:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


One hearing has already been held and another is scheduled. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:44:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




OH! I should mention, NO Public hearings on this bill are scheduled 

the policians want to ramit down our throats. 

? 

Glen Jones 




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From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net> 
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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 


The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state. ?As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -? 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them. ? 


'lyn 

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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 




Glen 

I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 

Pat 

? 



From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM 
To: or-roots mail list 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

? 


Pat 

you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another 

Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions 

if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue 

but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves 

get there info. 

Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed 

time expires then are transfered to the State Archives. 

Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the 

record and you must prove you are an immediate family member, 

an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or 

parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written 

letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through 

this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info. 

? 

I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one 

reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by 

the Oregon Heritage Commission. 

? 

Glen Jones 

Portland Oregon? 


? 

? 
----- Original Message -----


From: "Kith-n-Kin" < Kith-n-Kin at cox.net > 
To: "or-roots mail list" < or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us > 
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093 

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm 
pretty sure they don't care what I think. 

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?" ?The 
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges 
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the 
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses 
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them. 

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for 
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place 
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty 
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and 
postage.) 

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you 
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is 
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel 
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go 
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit 
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet. 

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless 
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the 
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have 
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the 
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat 
In Tucson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
[ mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us ] On Behalf Of W David 
Samuelsen 
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM 
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon 
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093 

To all, 

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee. 

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted. 

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924 

Still in need of few more tweaking. 

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State 
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia 
changed from 125 to 105. 

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the 
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against 
identity theft. Wisconsin do this. 

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau. 
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill 
is? 

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records 
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity 
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy. 

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like 
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for 
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100), 
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few. 

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet 
Age. 

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian 
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From: birdman_326 at msn.com (JOHN LAURA MCKINNEY)
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:53:46 +0000
Subject: [or-roots] or-roots Digest, Vol 72, Issue 9
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Can't think of anything nice to say abt. politicians, so I won't say anything.  Look at the track records, they speak for themselves.


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From: l.horine at comcast.net
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Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 00:56:41 +0000
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

sorry you don't think much of people in our Legislature, but NO ONE is trying to "ram anything down your throat" - the people who drafted the bill did not check what already exists and now that daylight is appearing, the bill is being rewritten.  NO one is trying to create another agency, much less another level of government.  I guess you could call me a bureaucrat because I work at the Capitol and I am sorry you have such a low opinion of any of us, but your information in this case is not right.  Ways and Means does NOT try to find ways to raise money.  

From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:41:10 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

Yes! Lyn there is the State Archives, I go there all the time, they 
want to create another agency, that would add another level of government
and cost millions if not billions to setup and run, that is why the HB 2093 is being
sent to Way's and Mean's to figure out how to raise the money.
I have already said what they want to do is already covered by other agencies
and State Statues, we do not need more Bureucrats.
I am trying to be nice in my opinion of our politicians, which I do not
think much of.
 
Glen Jones






From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093




The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state.  As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions - 
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them.  


'lyn



From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093



Glen
I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 
Pat
 


From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM
To: or-roots mail list
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093
 

Pat
you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another
Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions
if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue
but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves
get there info.
Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed
time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.
Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the
record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,
an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or
parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written
letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through
this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.
 
I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one
reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by
the Oregon Heritage Commission.
 
Glen Jones
Portland Oregon 

 
 



From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm
pretty sure they don't care what I think.

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?"  The
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and
postage.)

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat
In Tucson

-----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David
Samuelsen
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093

To all,

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924

Still in need of few more tweaking.

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia
changed from 125 to 105.

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against
identity theft. Wisconsin do this.

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill
is?

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet
Age.

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian
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From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 13:43:51 +0000
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

I am talking about out elected Reps. no offense to the working people.
We need to end this conversation on this list.
Glen






From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:56:41 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093




sorry you don't think much of people in our Legislature, but NO ONE is trying to "ram anything down your throat" - the people who drafted the bill did not check what already exists and now that daylight is appearing, the bill is being rewritten.  NO one is trying to create another agency, much less another level of government.  I guess you could call me a bureaucrat because I work at the Capitol and I am sorry you have such a low opinion of any of us, but your information in this case is not right.  Ways and Means does NOT try to find ways to raise money.  




From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:41:10 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093



Yes! Lyn there is the State Archives, I go there all the time, they 
want to create another agency, that would add another level of government
and cost millions if not billions to setup and run, that is why the HB 2093 is being
sent to Way's and Mean's to figure out how to raise the money.
I have already said what they want to do is already covered by other agencies
and State Statues, we do not need more Bureucrats.
I am trying to be nice in my opinion of our politicians, which I do not
think much of.
 
Glen Jones






From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:16:27 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093




The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state.  As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -  
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them.  


'lyn



From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093



Glen
I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 
Pat
 


From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM
To: or-roots mail list
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093
 

Pat
you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another
Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions
if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue
but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves
get there info.
Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed
time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.
Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the
record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,
an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or
parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written
letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through
this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.
 
I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one
reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by
the Oregon Heritage Commission.
 
Glen Jones
Portland Oregon 

 
 



From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm
pretty sure they don't care what I think.

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?"  The
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and
postage.)

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat
In Tucson

-----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David
Samuelsen
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093

To all,

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924

Still in need of few more tweaking.

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia
changed from 125 to 105.

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against
identity theft. Wisconsin do this.

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill
is?

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet
Age.

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian
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From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 14:06:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

Please! when is the next one then I would like to attend if I can
there has been no public announcement s far as I know.
Direct Email glenkc7mbm at comcast.net
 
Gken Jones





From: "l horine" <l.horine at comcast.net>
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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:52:04 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093




One hearing has already been held and another is scheduled.



From: "Glen Jones" <glenkc7mbm at comcast.net>
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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 5:44:00 PM
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OH! I should mention, NO Public hearings on this bill are scheduled
the policians want to ramit down our throats.
 
Glen Jones






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The initial bill was designed as a fitzall for any state.  As Mary Beth pointed out very well in her testimony, an agency already exists that is responsible for archiving all state records and Glen, none of them cost Billions -  
Now that there are hearings on this bill, IF it goes out of Committee, it will be appropriate for Oregon, or it will not go - and Ways and Means would NEVER send it out if there are additional costs for which there is not a plan identified to cover them.  


'lyn



From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 11:36:44 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093



Glen
I guess I did miss the point. What is the point of another department? 
Pat
 


From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Glen Jones
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 4:30 PM
To: or-roots mail list
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093
 

Pat
you have missed the point what is wanted is to setup another
Governmental department that would cost Taxpayers Millions
if not Billions to setup and administer, and there are already other State 
Statues covering everything they want to do, the bill is not to increase revenue
but to close records to prevent I/D theft, but this is not where I/D Thieves
get there info.
Currently many Vital records are kept at the County level until the closed
time expires then are transfered to the State Archives.
Prior to that time only an immediate family member can obtain the
record and you must prove you are an immediate family member,
an immediate family member is spouse, child, or Brother/Sister or
parent if you are a cousin then forget it, unless you have a written
letter from an immediaate family member, my wife has gone through
this with her late father's info when a cousin wanted to get info.
 
I have answered this is another email Heritage tourism is the number one
reason people traveled to Oregon this was a study commissioned by
the Oregon Heritage Commission.
 
Glen Jones
Portland Oregon 

 
 



From: "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin at cox.net>
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2013 11:47:25 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] HB 2093

Of course, I'd say 'nix the bill' -- but then, I'm in Arizona(!) so I'm
pretty sure they don't care what I think.

More to the point, let's talk about money. "Impact of loss of revenue?"  The
only revenue issue I see here is that for "current records" the HB charges
"walk-ups" for staff finding and copying the certificates, as well as the
cost of the copy machines. For "out of staters" I think Oregon uses
"VitalChek," so if anyone is making money, it is them.

The Archives (who would have the original documents) already pays for
storage, that would be their only cost, and the system is already in place
for charging us. (as I recall, if you make your own copies, it's pretty
cheap, if you write for one, it costs more, to pay for the staff, and
postage.)

Already, if you want a certificate that has not been sent to Archives, you
"prove" who you are, and order it. I have done this several times, and it is
no problem. 

As to the "revenue issue" of tourism. Really? Do you think tourists travel
all the way to Oregon just to get vital records? I doubt it. Yes, I go
there, and I do stop by and get records, but then, I also go to visit
cousins. If not for that, I'd just use the internet.

The point here is that using "revenue" as a point may backfire, unless
there's something here I don't see (won't be the first time). 

By the way, as further ammunition, California Death Index goes to 1997, the
Birth Index goes to 1995 (and readily available on Ancestry.com). I have
grandchildren younger than that! While they are not certificates, the
"information" that is being cried about is there! 

Pat
In Tucson

-----Original Message-----
From: or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of W David
Samuelsen
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:59 PM
To: Historic Cemeteries; Or-Roots; Oregon
Subject: [or-roots] HB 2093

To all,

The bill has been scheduled for April 10 in Health Care Committee.

Please take note of the amendments which have NOT been adopted.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/924

Still in need of few more tweaking.

1. One is changing to 105 years for birth records to be transferred to State
Archives. 125 is most extreme and only Oregon is pursuing it. 
Pennsylvania considered it and balked, going to 105 instead. Virginia
changed from 125 to 105.

2. There's nothing herein, requiring the State Archives to stamp or mark the
uncertified copies for genealogy purposes. This is a safeguard against
identity theft. Wisconsin do this.

3. Revenue is in question. Impact of loss of revenue for the Health Bureau.
What about tourism $ impact if the amendments are not adopted and the bill
is?

4. What about requiring the State Registrar to mark or stamp birth records
as deceased as soon as is known and VERIFIED. This will thwart the identity
theft because the thieves prefer CERTIFIED copy.

5. How about the possibility of having digital copies available online like
several states are doing now? Missouri (50 years death, 44 years for
marriages), Arizona, Georgia, Ohio, Utah (50 years deaths, births 100),
Montana (most liberal, births 2004!), Iowa (deaths to 1990) to name a few.

6. Least of all, this bill is written as if we are still in PRE-Internet
Age.

W. David Samuelsen, 6th (5th if native) generation Oregonian
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From pmml at meritel.net  Tue Apr 16 11:52:35 2013
From: pmml at meritel.net (Marsha Bradley-Luthy)
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 11:52:35 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
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Parrot are Round the corner from gribble cemetery have lots of document will send if you like have pictures as well divorce papers really fun les will send when I get home

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 26, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> You're welcome Carole, but it looks like you are in for a disappointment, I haven't pinpointed it exactly but the old homestead is somewhere in the north end of the airport and or under the gravel pit. On the other hand just think how well off you'd be if you still owned it!
> 
> I take it you've seen this information?
> OR	Willamette	007S - 003W	 	35	49	Marion
> 	OR	Willamette	007S - 003W	 	36	49	Marion
> 	OR	Willamette	008S - 003W	 	1	38	Marion
> 	OR	Willamette	008S - 003W	 	2	38	Marion
>  I used to be able to pull up the exact property description there by aliquot parts, but for some reason this is all I get now. The claim also includes stuff south of the township line in T 8 S. if you go looking for a deed description
> 
> Les
> 
> Thank you Les!
>  
> Wahoo! Had not found anything "new" for the longest time (a couple of years), and suddenly there it is!
> Lower right hand corner Joseph E. Parrott  - Not. 307 Claim 49,  267.36 Acres. and Claim, 38 370.10 acres.
> Thank you Thank you Thank you. Will have to google the coordinates and see what the old homestead of my paternal GG GFather now holds.
>  
> Carole Parrott Joppe
> .
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From mygenrw2 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 04:21:01 2013
From: mygenrw2 at gmail.com (James)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:21:01 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] 4rth amenment GONE
Message-ID: <CAMNKTDN+DrbhFqNOOZjvx8Jf=CRxFcgseQ-j+YrKc-CEJoCG7g@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.zdnet.com/under-cispa-google-facebook-twitter-microsoft-others-cant-promise-to-protect-your-privacy-7000014113/?s_cid=e589&ttag=e589
You might find this interesting.
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From mygenrw2 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 20 04:23:00 2013
From: mygenrw2 at gmail.com (James)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:23:00 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
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I have a book on DLC here.
Problem - its not alpbabetical and has no index.
 On Mar 26, 2013 11:30 AM, "cjp joppe" <cjpjoppe at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you Les!
>
> Wahoo! Had not found anything "new" for the longest time (a couple of
> years), and suddenly there it is!
> Lower right hand corner Joseph E. Parrott  - Not. 307 Claim 49,  267.36
> Acres. and Claim, 38 370.10 acres.
> Thank you Thank you Thank you. Will have to google the coordinates and see
> what the old homestead of my paternal GG GFather now holds.
>
> Carole Parrott Joppe
>
>
>   * *...CPJ...
>    *From:* Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com>
> *To:* or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 12:46 PM
> *Subject:* [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
>  **
> For those whose ancestors had DLC's in the Salem area you might enjoy
> checking out this link;
> **
>
> http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/yPlatView1_2.php?path=POR&name=t070s030w_002.jpg
> **
> That should take you directly to the 1861 DOI plat of Salem. I had hoped
> it might include McCubbins property identified by name but no such luck,
> this map is solely related to DLC and section boundaries.
> **
> Les
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From whitehillranch at centurytel.net  Sat Apr 20 09:13:50 2013
From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Diane)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:13:50 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
References: <F8566F59-D8DA-42F8-9BA8-63F56DCB857A@meritel.net><1364240800.42799.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1364322618.50855.YahooMailNeo@web121003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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I have been attempting to locate a map such as this with the land owners written in, only on the east side.  I changed t70s030w  to t33s017e with no luck.   Any way I can get a copy of the orginal landowners here on the east side?  Or did I need to write in something different?  Some land here was homesteaded and some was Oregon Land Grant.  I am seeking Township 33 South Range 17 East....to begin with !!!

Also need to find the same type of map for the Shedd area.

Thanks, Diane
     ...
    From: Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com>
    To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
    Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:46 PM
    Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map

          For those whose ancestors had DLC's in the Salem area you might enjoy checking out this link;
          http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/yPlatView1_2.php?path=POR&name=t070s030w_002.jpg
          That should take you directly to the 1861 DOI plat of Salem. I had hoped it might include McCubbins property identified by name but no such luck, this map is solely related to DLC and section boundaries.
          Les 
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From opera_70 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 20 09:38:44 2013
From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:38:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
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Diane;

I am just dropping in to check my mail and will have to research further just where I got the map, but it should have come from the same source as this one;

http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/yPlatView1_2.php?path=POR&name=t330s170e_001.jpg


You go to;

http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/ySrvy1.php


and plug in the relevant township and range and then look at the oldest map in the box under "Survey Plats" some times if you can find the right survey notes which isn't always easy for me and I?should?KNOW how to find them, you get anecdotal information in the original survey like "1/4 corner 36 links SSE of John Brown's barn and 80 links south of the SE corner of his house." ?I've never had the good luck to find a note like that about family members but have found some for other people.

Les


________________________________
 From: Diane <whitehillranch at centurytel.net>
To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
 


 
I?have been attempting to locate 
a map such as this with the land owners written in, only on the east side.? 
I changed t70s030w? to t33s017e with no luck.?? Any way I can get 
a copy of the orginal landowners here on the east side?? Or did I need to 
write in something different?? Some land here was homesteaded and some was 
Oregon Land Grant.? I am seeking Township 33 South Range 17 East....to 
begin with !!!
?
Also need to find the same type of 
map for the Shedd area.
?
Thanks, Diane
??...
>From: Leslie  Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com>
>>To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
>>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:46  PM
>>Subject: [or-roots]  Downtown Salem map
>> 
>>For those whose ancestors had DLC's in the Salem area you  might enjoy checking out this link; 
>>http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/yPlatView1_2.php?path=POR&name=t070s030w_002.jpg
>>That should take you directly to the 1861 DOI plat of Salem. I  had hoped it might include McCubbins property identified by name but  no such luck, this map is solely related to DLC and section  boundaries.
>>Les 
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From whitehillranch at centurytel.net  Sat Apr 20 10:07:44 2013
From: whitehillranch at centurytel.net (Diane)
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 10:07:44 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
References: <F8566F59-D8DA-42F8-9BA8-63F56DCB857A@meritel.net><1364240800.42799.YahooMailClassic@web141203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1364322618.50855.YahooMailNeo@web121003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><CAMNKTDNo=vx5CcTu1OSVUhnJfiOk51+xqzCW-mfshzaCqGCRvQ@mail.gmail.com><56BAFA48CE2A43EA9DBEDD2E1412D6CC@dianet1nyozill>
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Thanks Les..will give another try.  Have tried several times prior, but could have been missing something---or they are just not generally done for the east side since it was settled a little later than the W. valley area.  Diane
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Leslie Chapman 
  To: or-roots mail list 
  Sent: 20 April, 2013 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map


  Diane;


  I am just dropping in to check my mail and will have to research further just where I got the map, but it should have come from the same source as this one;


  http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/yPlatView1_2.php?path=POR&name=t330s170e_001.jpg



  You go to;


  http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/ySrvy1.php



  and plug in the relevant township and range and then look at the oldest map in the box under "Survey Plats" some times if you can find the right survey notes which isn't always easy for me and I should KNOW how to find them, you get anecdotal information in the original survey like "1/4 corner 36 links SSE of John Brown's barn and 80 links south of the SE corner of his house."  I've never had the good luck to find a note like that about family members but have found some for other people.


  Les



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  From: Diane <whitehillranch at centurytel.net>
  To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
  Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map



  I have been attempting to locate a map such as this with the land owners written in, only on the east side.  I changed t70s030w  to t33s017e with no luck.   Any way I can get a copy of the orginal landowners here on the east side?  Or did I need to write in something different?  Some land here was homesteaded and some was Oregon Land Grant.  I am seeking Township 33 South Range 17 East....to begin with !!!

  Also need to find the same type of map for the Shedd area.

  Thanks, Diane
       ...
      From: Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com>
      To: or-roots mail list <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
      Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:46 PM
      Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map

            For those whose ancestors had DLC's in the Salem area you might enjoy checking out this link; 
            http://www.blm.gov/or/landrecords/survey/yPlatView1_2.php?path=POR&name=t070s030w_002.jpg
            That should take you directly to the 1861 DOI plat of Salem. I had hoped it might include McCubbins property identified by name but no such luck, this map is solely related to DLC and section boundaries.
            Les 


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From eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net  Sun Apr 21 08:02:20 2013
From: eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net (eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 15:02:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
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I have a general question about waivers for birth certificates. 



I have one aunt and two uncles (twins) who were born in 1915 and 1918 respectively. 



All three individuals died childless. As their nephew, I am the closing living relative. 



Whom do I apply to and how do I go about applying for a waiver to the 100 year rule for an Oregon Birth Certificate from a non-descendant individual. 



Thanks, 



Eugene 
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Sun Apr 21 08:22:40 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:22:40 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
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1915 and 1918 are still within 100 years, subject to the law, regardless.

David Samuelsen

On 4/21/2013 9:02 AM, eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net wrote:
> I have a general question about waivers for birth certificates.
>
> I have one aunt and two uncles (twins) who were born in 1915 and 1918
> respectively.
>
> All three individuals died childless. As their nephew, I am the closing
> living relative.
>
> Whom do I apply to and how do I go about applying for a waiver to the
> 100 year rule for an Oregon Birth Certificate from a non-descendant
> individual.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Sun Apr 21 15:18:32 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
In-Reply-To: <51740440.4090208@sampubco.com>
Message-ID: <770691516.242275.1366582712995.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Oregon Birth certificates are not closed for 100 years but 72 years. 

Also Hb 2093 was amended and the records close times will remain 

unchanged. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam52 at sampubco.com> 
To: "Rootsweb, OREGON" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:22:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates 

1915 and 1918 are still within 100 years, subject to the law, regardless. 

David Samuelsen 

On 4/21/2013 9:02 AM, eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net wrote: 
> I have a general question about waivers for birth certificates. 
> 
> I have one aunt and two uncles (twins) who were born in 1915 and 1918 
> respectively. 
> 
> All three individuals died childless. As their nephew, I am the closing 
> living relative. 
> 
> Whom do I apply to and how do I go about applying for a waiver to the 
> 100 year rule for an Oregon Birth Certificate from a non-descendant 
> individual. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Eugene 
> 
> 
> 
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From 58cjpeterson at comcast.net  Sun Apr 21 15:42:18 2013
From: 58cjpeterson at comcast.net (Carol Peterson)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 22:42:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
In-Reply-To: <770691516.242275.1366582712995.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Thanks Glen. That's great news. 
Carol (Holzgang) Peterson 

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To: "OREGON Rootsweb" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 3:18:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates 




Oregon Birth certificates are not closed for 100 years but 72 years. 

Also Hb 2093 was amended and the records close times will remain 

unchanged. 



Glen Jones 




----- Original Message -----
From: "W David Samuelsen" <dsam52 at sampubco.com> 
To: "Rootsweb, OREGON" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:22:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates 

1915 and 1918 are still within 100 years, subject to the law, regardless. 

David Samuelsen 

On 4/21/2013 9:02 AM, eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net wrote: 
> I have a general question about waivers for birth certificates. 
> 
> I have one aunt and two uncles (twins) who were born in 1915 and 1918 
> respectively. 
> 
> All three individuals died childless. As their nephew, I am the closing 
> living relative. 
> 
> Whom do I apply to and how do I go about applying for a waiver to the 
> 100 year rule for an Oregon Birth Certificate from a non-descendant 
> individual. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Eugene 
> 
> 
> 
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From dsam52 at sampubco.com  Sun Apr 21 16:10:39 2013
From: dsam52 at sampubco.com (W David Samuelsen)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 17:10:39 -0600
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
In-Reply-To: <770691516.242275.1366582712995.JavaMail.root@sz0155a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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If that is so, why is VR in Portland holding out on transfering the 
files to Archives?

David

On 4/21/2013 4:18 PM, Glen Jones wrote:
> Oregon Birth certificates are not closed for 100 years but 72 years.
>
> Also Hb 2093 was amended and the records close times will remain
>
> unchanged.
>
> Glen Jones
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"W David Samuelsen" <dsam52 at sampubco.com>
> *To: *"Rootsweb, OREGON" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> *Sent: *Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:22:40 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth
> Certificates
>
> 1915 and 1918 are still within 100 years, subject to the law, regardless.
>
> David Samuelsen
>
> On 4/21/2013 9:02 AM, eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net wrote:
>  > I have a general question about waivers for birth certificates.
>  >
>  > I have one aunt and two uncles (twins) who were born in 1915 and 1918
>  > respectively.
>  >
>  > All three individuals died childless. As their nephew, I am the closing
>  > living relative.
>  >
>  > Whom do I apply to and how do I go about applying for a waiver to the
>  > 100 year rule for an Oregon Birth Certificate from a non-descendant
>  > individual.
>  >
>  > Thanks,
>  >
>  > Eugene
>  >
>  >
>  >
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From eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net  Sun Apr 21 16:18:40 2013
From: eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net (eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 23:18:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
In-Reply-To: <389587266.1146888.1366584138105.JavaMail.root@sz0024a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1072768226.1100551.1366586320187.JavaMail.root@sz0084a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



OK I am confused I went to the state of Oregon DHS website (see link below) and in the first paragraph, it had the following statement. 



[For 100 years following a birth, only the registrant, immediate family members, the registrant's Oregon registered domestic partner, legal representatives (includes legal guardians or persons with power of attorney), and persons licensed in Oregon under ORS 703.430 may order birth records. Government agencies may order if the records are needed in the course of their work or to prevent fraud.] 



Since I am their nephew I believe I am not qualified as ?immediate family member ? that why I posted my question earlier today. 



Also it looks like the cheapest way to obtain the three certificates is to mail a check for $20 three different times. The next cheapest way is to walk in and pay $23.25 for the first one and $20 each for certificate number two and three. 



I? am open to suggestions. 



Eugene 



[http://public.health.oregon.gov/BirthDeathCertificates/GetVitalRecords/Pages/Eligibility.aspx]? 



[http://public.health.oregon.gov/BirthDeathCertificates/GetVitalRecords/Pages/fees.aspx]
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From l.horine at comcast.net  Sun Apr 21 16:23:58 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (Lyn Horine)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:23:58 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth Certificates
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2093 has yet to pass Ways &Means and the Senate and be signed into law by the Gov and take effect. No new provisions will take effect before then
'lyn

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 21, 2013, at 4:10 PM, W David Samuelsen <dsam52 at sampubco.com> wrote:

> If that is so, why is VR in Portland holding out on transfering the files to Archives?
> 
> David
> 
> On 4/21/2013 4:18 PM, Glen Jones wrote:
>> Oregon Birth certificates are not closed for 100 years but 72 years.
>> 
>> Also Hb 2093 was amended and the records close times will remain
>> 
>> unchanged.
>> 
>> Glen Jones
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *"W David Samuelsen" <dsam52 at sampubco.com>
>> *To: *"Rootsweb, OREGON" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:22:40 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [or-roots] 100 Year Rule Waivers for Oregon Birth
>> Certificates
>> 
>> 1915 and 1918 are still within 100 years, subject to the law, regardless.
>> 
>> David Samuelsen
>> 
>> On 4/21/2013 9:02 AM, eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net wrote:
>> > I have a general question about waivers for birth certificates.
>> >
>> > I have one aunt and two uncles (twins) who were born in 1915 and 1918
>> > respectively.
>> >
>> > All three individuals died childless. As their nephew, I am the closing
>> > living relative.
>> >
>> > Whom do I apply to and how do I go about applying for a waiver to the
>> > 100 year rule for an Oregon Birth Certificate from a non-descendant
>> > individual.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Eugene
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From PMML at MERITEL.NET  Sun Apr 21 18:27:59 2013
From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:27:59 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Downtown Salem map
In-Reply-To: <BC404696-7BBE-45C7-859F-FC406B611A12@meritel.net>
References: <1364330252.25051.YahooMailClassic@web141206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<BC404696-7BBE-45C7-859F-FC406B611A12@meritel.net>
Message-ID: <CAKq=WuEqRihTpW=tvj0KHaBM0oDhfLgPR65eQpkhc33sN4jPRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Parrot, Rev Joseph E. Died Sept 3, at Lafayette born Mo. Dec 21, 1821 to
Oregon
in 1848 married Sept 17, 1851 to Susan Garrison D. Aug 21, 1869 married 2
May
31, 1870 Mrs. L.A. Worden Pacific Cristian Advocate 1864-1890

Joseph E. Parrot Jr.

Married Eleanor E. Fish Clackamas County Oregon March 14, 1861

Vol. 1. p 132
Donation Land Claime on file
Walter Fish last will and testment shows deceased grandchildren as
Edward W. Parrot aged 38 years, Astoria Oregion

Have Picture of garden being tended in Alaska (postcard)  picutures of
Elenor Else.

How are you connected? Many documents if you are interested.






On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Marsha Bradley-Luthy <pmml at meritel.net>wrote:

> Parrot are Round the corner from gribble cemetery have lots of document
> will send if you like have pictures as well divorce papers really fun les
> will send when I get home
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You're welcome Carole, but it looks like you are in for a disappointment,
> I haven't pinpointed it exactly but the old homestead is somewhere in the
> north end of the airport and or under the gravel pit. On the other hand
> just think how well off you'd be if you still owned it!
>
> I take it you've seen this information?
> ORWillamette007S - 003W 3549MarionORWillamette007S - 003W 3649MarionOR
> Willamette008S - 003W 138MarionORWillamette008S - 003W 238Marion I used
> to be able to pull up the exact property description there by aliquot
> parts, but for some reason this is all I get now. The claim also includes
> stuff south of the township line in T 8 S. if you go looking for a deed
> description
>
> Les
>
>
> Thank you Les!
>
> Wahoo! Had not found anything "new" for the longest time (a couple of
> years), and suddenly there it is!
> Lower right hand corner Joseph E. Parrott  - Not. 307 Claim 49,  267.36
> Acres. and Claim, 38 370.10 acres.
> Thank you Thank you Thank you. Will have to google the coordinates and see
> what the old homestead of my paternal GG GFather now holds.
>
> Carole Parrott Joppe
> .
>
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From PMML at MERITEL.NET  Sun Apr 21 18:43:21 2013
From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:43:21 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will
In-Reply-To: <DCA90731D98F45B584D65B92CB779C22@NancyLeeAdamPC>
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Ruth McCubbin remarried and is Burried in Leabon

old church.


On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Nancy Lee Adams <
nancydean at columbia-center.org> wrote:

> **
> I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while
> because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me
> on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in
> block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is
> buried on the land.
>
> Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams
> St. Helens, OR.
> nancydean at columbia-center.org
>
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From: PMML at MERITEL.NET (Marsha BradleyLuthy)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:56:39 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] 3rd Ggrandfather's Will
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Birth Year:    abt 1814
Age in 1870:    56
Birthplace:    Virginia
Home in 1870:    Lebanon, Linn, Oregon
Race:    White
Gender:    Male
Value of real estate:    View image <
http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7163&iid=4278484_00647&fn=James&ln=McCubbins&st=r&ssrc=&pid=7049964>

Post Office:    Lebanon
Household Members:    Name    Age
    James McCubbins <
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=7049964>
56
    Barbary McCubbins <
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1870usfedcen&indiv=try&h=9279115>
50
    Ruth McCubbins <
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Nancy Lee Adams <
nancydean at columbia-center.org> wrote:

> **
> I found my 3rd Ggrandfather's Will today. Had to look for it for a while
> because I had put it away in bins. I am wondering if someone could help me
> on a map where his property was in 1877, NORTH Salem, Lots # 7 # 8, in
> block # 24, NORTH Salem? I still can not find his grave & maybe he is
> buried on the land.
>
> Thank you, Nancy Lee Adams
> St. Helens, OR.
> nancydean at columbia-center.org
>
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From layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us  Mon Apr 22 10:47:13 2013
From: layne.g.sawyer at state.or.us (SAWYER, Layne G)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 17:47:13 +0000
Subject: [or-roots] birth records restricted in Oregon for 100 years
Message-ID: <5F1DF0D7F1BB944C835943B5F16CE04668DA2202@D5DAG1A.D5.USA.NET>

Oregon restricts access to birth records for 100 years.  HB 2093 as it is worded at this time will keep that restriction at 100 years.

Layne Sawyer
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Oregon State Archives
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From barbhg1221 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 22 11:51:39 2013
From: barbhg1221 at comcast.net (Barbara Herring)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:51:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] birth records restricted in Oregon for 100 years
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Layne, 

Has there been any progress in actually getting Vital Statistics to turn over to the Archives birth certificates that are over 100 years old? 



Barbara H. 



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Oregon restricts access to birth records for 100 years.? HB 2093 as it is worded at this time will keep that restriction at 100 years. 

? 

Layne Sawyer 

Manager of Refernce Services 

Oregon State Archives 

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From glenkc7mbm at comcast.net  Mon Apr 22 16:15:30 2013
From: glenkc7mbm at comcast.net (Glen Jones)
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 23:15:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] birth records restricted in Oregon for 100 years
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I thought they said 72 at the hearing Sorry . 



Glen Jones 




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Oregon restricts access to birth records for 100 years.? HB 2093 as it is worded at this time will keep that restriction at 100 years. 

? 

Layne Sawyer 

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Oregon State Archives 

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From daleharguess4 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 28 17:25:23 2013
From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:25:23 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book
Message-ID: <CAPG4UJb6Z-DDmFDRtFwQFrjTduAcyxpTmR1fUFnDfgUHSafODQ@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps you all already know about this book, but I came across it at the
library and checked it out.  The title is: A girl from Yamhill: a memoir.
Written by the popular children's author Beverly Cleary.  It is an
autobiography and is a fascinating read if you had parents or grandparents
who grew up in Oregon in the early 1920's through the depression years,
etc.  She is an excellent writer and you can really get a feel for what it
was like back then.  My mom was born in 1919 and this was a perfect book
for me to read to understand what things were like back then.  I would
highly recommend it to anyone who might be interested in this era of
Oregon, especially the Yamhill area.
I think it is really helpful for a genealogist to read about the area her
ancestors were from in the form of autobiographies when you can find them.
Happy hunting,
Dale in Southern California
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From l.horine at comcast.net  Sun Apr 28 18:16:00 2013
From: l.horine at comcast.net (l.horine at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:16:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book
In-Reply-To: <CAPG4UJb6Z-DDmFDRtFwQFrjTduAcyxpTmR1fUFnDfgUHSafODQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Just to add to the wonderful story behind this story, Beverly Cleary is still alive, and living in south California - she will return to Yamhill and the Pike at some point - and the story itself is quite true. Yamhill was, and is, a great place to grow up, and there are reminders of characters from Beverly's other books in Portland as well. If you've never gotten to wind a maypole, she can show you how to do that! 
'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
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To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:25:23 PM 
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book 



Perhaps you all already know about this book, but I came across it at the library and checked it out. The title is: A girl from Yamhill: a memoir. Written by the popular children's author Beverly Cleary. It is an autobiography and is a fascinating read if you had parents or grandparents who grew up in Oregon in the early 1920's through the depression years, etc. She is an excellent writer and you can really get a feel for what it was like back then. My mom was born in 1919 and this was a perfect book for me to read to understand what things were like back then. I would highly recommend it to anyone who might be interested in this era of Oregon, especially the Yamhill area. 
I think it is really helpful for a genealogist to read about the area her ancestors were from in the form of autobiographies when you can find them. 
Happy hunting, 
Dale in Southern California 

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From opera_70 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 28 20:03:11 2013
From: opera_70 at yahoo.com (Leslie Chapman)
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [or-roots] Winding a Maypole
In-Reply-To: <1559025609.1368020.1367198160407.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <CAPG4UJb6Z-DDmFDRtFwQFrjTduAcyxpTmR1fUFnDfgUHSafODQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1367204591.27813.YahooMailNeo@web141202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I remember our doing Maypoles when I was in Grade school, I am the guy that when the musicians say to clap along with the beat there is always that one guy who is half a beat off so the Maypole thing was always a trial for me and since being runt of my class I had to play a girls part I always caused confusion to the oncoming person. We did ours in boy girl teams, boys going one way and girls in the other. I think that had?something?to do with dropping the tradition as about sixth grade my class became almost all male.

But I got in on a discussion on face book a while back on Maypoles and most of the crowd thought I had to be a LOT older than I am to have done one of them. I guess when I was growing up you had to set your clock back ten years when you got to Cottage Grove.

Les C


Subject: Re: [or-roots] an interesting book
 


Just to add to the wonderful story behind this story, Beverly Cleary is still alive, and living in south California - she will return to Yamhill and the Pike at some point - and the story itself is quite true. ?Yamhill was, and is, a great place to grow up, and there are reminders of characters from Beverly's other books in Portland as well. ?If you've never gotten to wind a maypole, she can show you how to do that!
'lyn
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From daleharguess4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 09:58:27 2013
From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:58:27 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book
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	<1559025609.1368020.1367198160407.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I remember doing the Maypole dance every May 1 when I was in school.  We
also used to make baskets of flowers out of old cottage cheese containers
and putting them on the neighbors door knobs on May Day.  That all stopped
when the Cold War began and the USSR's most celebrated day was May 1st.
What a shame that such an innocent tradition should die because of politics.
I am really happy to hear that Beverly is still alive.  So is my mother who
is now a roaring 94 and going strong.
Dale


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 6:16 PM, <l.horine at comcast.net> wrote:

> Just to add to the wonderful story behind this story, Beverly Cleary is
> still alive, and living in south California - she will return to Yamhill
> and the Pike at some point - and the story itself is quite true.  Yamhill
> was, and is, a great place to grow up, and there are reminders of
> characters from Beverly's other books in Portland as well.  If you've never
> gotten to wind a maypole, she can show you how to do that!
> 'lyn
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Dale Harguess" <daleharguess4 at gmail.com>
> *To: *"or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
> *Sent: *Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:25:23 PM
> *Subject: *[or-roots] an interesting book
>
>
> Perhaps you all already know about this book, but I came across it at the
> library and checked it out.  The title is: A girl from Yamhill: a memoir.
> Written by the popular children's author Beverly Cleary.  It is an
> autobiography and is a fascinating read if you had parents or grandparents
> who grew up in Oregon in the early 1920's through the depression years,
> etc.  She is an excellent writer and you can really get a feel for what it
> was like back then.  My mom was born in 1919 and this was a perfect book
> for me to read to understand what things were like back then.  I would
> highly recommend it to anyone who might be interested in this era of
> Oregon, especially the Yamhill area.
> I think it is really helpful for a genealogist to read about the area her
> ancestors were from in the form of autobiographies when you can find them.
> Happy hunting,
> Dale in Southern California
>
>
> _____________________________________________________
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From daleharguess4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 10:03:22 2013
From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:03:22 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Winding a Maypole
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My great grandmother was born in Cottage Grove.
Dale


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Leslie Chapman <opera_70 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I remember our doing Maypoles when I was in Grade school, I am the guy
> that when the musicians say to clap along with the beat there is always
> that one guy who is half a beat off so the Maypole thing was always a trial
> for me and since being runt of my class I had to play a girls part I always
> caused confusion to the oncoming person. We did ours in boy girl teams,
> boys going one way and girls in the other. I think that had something to
> do with dropping the tradition as about sixth grade my class became almost
> all male.
>
> But I got in on a discussion on face book a while back on Maypoles and
> most of the crowd thought I had to be a LOT older than I am to have done
> one of them. I guess when I was growing up you had to set your clock back
> ten years when you got to Cottage Grove.
>
> Les C
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [or-roots] an interesting book
>
> Just to add to the wonderful story behind this story, Beverly Cleary is
> still alive, and living in south California - she will return to Yamhill
> and the Pike at some point - and the story itself is quite true.  Yamhill
> was, and is, a great place to grow up, and there are reminders of
> characters from Beverly's other books in Portland as well.  If you've never
> gotten to wind a maypole, she can show you how to do that!
> 'lyn
>
>
>
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From research at lanstat.com  Mon Apr 29 11:33:01 2013
From: research at lanstat.com (Sherry Sanders Kimbrough)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:33:01 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Mogden, possibly in Bend
Message-ID: <1101599611.20130429113301@lanstat.com>

Hi,

Wondering  if anyone on this list is in Bend and could put me in touch
with  a  Mogden?  I have quite a bit of WW II correspondence from Walt
Mogden  -  a  navy  friend of my parents - and would like to share it.
Doubt that Walt is still alive but found a Timothy in Bend.

Thanks and please reply privately.

Sherry

mailto:research at lanstat.com



From daleharguess4 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 29 11:36:48 2013
From: daleharguess4 at gmail.com (Dale Harguess)
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:36:48 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Mogden, possibly in Bend
In-Reply-To: <1101599611.20130429113301@lanstat.com>
References: <1101599611.20130429113301@lanstat.com>
Message-ID: <CAPG4UJa71GUNTbCLrEkbTb2Rs487eRT56wKbO2aQNRT687N8-w@mail.gmail.com>

I have a former classmate of mine who lives in Bend.  It is a pretty big
city now but I could ask her if she might know where to look.
Dale


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Sherry Sanders Kimbrough <
research at lanstat.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Wondering  if anyone on this list is in Bend and could put me in touch
> with  a  Mogden?  I have quite a bit of WW II correspondence from Walt
> Mogden  -  a  navy  friend of my parents - and would like to share it.
> Doubt that Walt is still alive but found a Timothy in Bend.
>
> Thanks and please reply privately.
>
> Sherry
>
> mailto:research at lanstat.com
>
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From eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net  Tue Apr 30 07:55:32 2013
From: eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net (eugenemelvin.roots at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:55:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book
In-Reply-To: <1559025609.1368020.1367198160407.JavaMail.root@sz0044a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Beverly Cleary graduated from Grant High School in Portland Oregon. See link for a brief BIO. 



Eugene 



http://www.grantalumni.org/general-hall-of-achievement.html 

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To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:16:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [or-roots] an interesting book 


Just to add to the wonderful story behind this story, Beverly Cleary is still alive, and living in south California - she will return to Yamhill and the Pike at some point - and the story itself is quite true. ?Yamhill was, and is, a great place to grow up, and there are reminders of characters from Beverly's other books in Portland as well. ?If you've never gotten to wind a maypole, she can show you how to do that! 
'lyn 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Harguess" <daleharguess4 at gmail.com> 
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:25:23 PM 
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book 



Perhaps you all already know about this book, but I came across it at the library and checked it out.? The title is: A girl from Yamhill: a memoir.?? Written by the popular children's author Beverly Cleary.? It is an autobiography and is a fascinating read if you had parents or grandparents who grew up in Oregon in the early 1920's through the depression years, etc.? She is an excellent writer and you can really get a feel for what it was like back then.? My mom was born in 1919 and this was a perfect book for me to read to understand what things were like back then.? I would highly recommend it to anyone who might be interested in this era of Oregon, especially the Yamhill area. 
I think it is really helpful for a genealogist to read about the area her ancestors were from in the form of autobiographies when you can find them. 
Happy hunting, 
Dale in Southern California 
? 
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From mygenrw2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 30 09:07:18 2013
From: mygenrw2 at gmail.com (James)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:07:18 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] an interesting book
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Thanks.
I have to rebuild the us gen web pages for yamill this is a good idea about
the books.
Dan M
On Apr 28, 2013 5:25 PM, "Dale Harguess" <daleharguess4 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perhaps you all already know about this book, but I came across it at the
> library and checked it out.  The title is: A girl from Yamhill: a memoir.
> Written by the popular children's author Beverly Cleary.  It is an
> autobiography and is a fascinating read if you had parents or grandparents
> who grew up in Oregon in the early 1920's through the depression years,
> etc.  She is an excellent writer and you can really get a feel for what it
> was like back then.  My mom was born in 1919 and this was a perfect book
> for me to read to understand what things were like back then.  I would
> highly recommend it to anyone who might be interested in this era of
> Oregon, especially the Yamhill area.
> I think it is really helpful for a genealogist to read about the area her
> ancestors were from in the form of autobiographies when you can find them.
> Happy hunting,
> Dale in Southern California
>
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