[Libs-Or] My perspective

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Wed Oct 3 12:39:56 PDT 2012


I'm a current Emporia student who's taking the introductory reference class. Although it is dry sometimes, I'm finding it really interesting overall, and it helps me get a grasp on the concept of information management in general. It's even making me consider becoming a reference librarian 

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1. Re: does Oregon need reference librarians? (Alan Cordle) 


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From: Alan Cordle <acordle at pcc.edu> 
To: Max Macias <mmacias at pcc.edu> 
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<libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>, Emily Ford <fordemily at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Libs-Or] does Oregon need reference librarians? 
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Hi, 

Back in the day (I attended library school part-time between 1993 and 
1996), we not only had the required reference class, but for my track, in 
academic reference, I had a humanities reference course and one in the 
social sciences as well. I could have taken one in the sciences, but 
didn't. I can't remember what others were offered. The classes were 
invaluable. Database-wise, we were limited to Dialog and maybe Lexis-Nexis 
if I remember correctly. 

But what I loved, especially in my humanities class, was writing 
evaluations of print reference sources. I believe that library school 
faculty could create similar assignments for specialized databases that 
would serve students well. 

Like Max, I believe that reference is best learned through experience. I 
really valued the time I learned from mentors at the reference desks where 
I've worked. I've also noticed that some newer librarians (is it 
generational?) think they know it all because they can type a keyword into 
a database. Good reference is about listening to patrons and observing 
colleagues. 

Thanks, 
Alan 

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Max Macias <mmacias at pcc.edu> wrote: 

> Hi everyone, 
> 
> 
> I had a reference class, and it was alright. 
> 
> However, I really learned reference while working. 
> 
> It would have been grand to have a reference internship--I think that 
> would be the way to go for library schools. 
> 
> Max 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Katie Anderson < 
> katie.anderson at state.or.us> wrote: 
> 
>> Reference is alive and well in youth services! Children and teens might 
>> not remember the details of an assignment, be embarrassed about the topic 
>> they want to learn more about, or know how to describe what they need in a 
>> way that makes sense to others. On top of that, they have wildly different 
>> reading and comprehension levels. Knowing reference interview techniques is 
>> critical to learning what kids and teens really need and identifying their 
>> reading/listening level all while respecting their ability level and 
>> privacy. 
>> 
>> Katie Anderson, Library Development Services 
>> * Youth Services Consultant * Oregon Center for the Book Coordinator * 
>> Oregon State Library, 250 Winter St. NE, Salem, OR 97301 
>> katie.anderson at state.or.us, 503-378-2528 
>> ------------------------------ 
>> *From:* libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us [ 
>> libs-or-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] on behalf of Emily Ford [ 
>> fordemily at gmail.com] 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:28 AM 
>> *To:* libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us 
>> 
>> *Subject:* [Libs-Or] does Oregon need reference librarians? 
>> 
>> Caleb, 
>> I'm so glad that you posted to Libs-Or about this. I wanted to but was 
>> hesitant. 
>> 
>> I took a stand alone reference course in library school. Some of it 
>> seemed like busy work. But I go back to the I gained knowledge each time I 
>> get a tough reference question. 
>> 
>> But what was the greatest learning experience I had with reference as a 
>> student was spending 6 months serving as a reference intern and then as an 
>> employee in the trenches of adult services at Monroe County Public Library 
>> in Bloomington, IN. Had I not had a course that covered the reference 
>> interview, reference transactions, etc, my first few months at the public 
>> library would have been awful. The course I took prepared with the theory, 
>> armed me with resources and techniques. Translating them into practice was 
>> fulfilling. How many students these days do reference internships? If they 
>> don't, how can a small portion of a class prepare them for a future job 
>> without course and/or reference "in the trenches" experiences? 
>> 
>> My take: we do need reference librarians and reference is not dead. It 
>> looks completely different, but it still happens. Sure, lots of L-Net 
>> questions I answer are about library accounts, fines, etc and lots of 
>> questions I answer at the PSU Library desk deal with printing in our 
>> computer lab. But would I have been able to answer students questions about 
>> finding tests and measures or survey instruments without being a trained 
>> (in the classroom and in the trenches) reference librarian? Probably not. 
>> 
>> Maybe the problem is not that reference is dead, but that the traditional 
>> reference course curriculum is. How could a full on reference course 
>> capture the breadth of "traditional" reference practices and also what's 
>> happening with new technologies, new questions, and new literacies? There 
>> must be a way. 
>> 
>> Emily 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, < 
>> libs-or-request at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> wrote: 
>> 
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 13:30:10 -0700 
>>> From: Caleb Tucker-Raymond <calebt at multcolib.org> 
>>> To: "libs-or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us" 
>>> <Libs-Or at listsmart.osl.state.or.us> 
>>> Subject: [Libs-Or] does Oregon need reference librarians? 
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>>> Hi, everybody, 
>>> 
>>> As seen on the Hack Library School blog, 
>>> http://hacklibschool.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/whither-reference/, some 
>>> library schools are no longer offering a standalone course in reference, 
>>> but instead making reference a smaller component of a larger course. The 
>>> rationale is that "reference is dead". 
>>> 
>>> My first reaction was, "oh no! not again!" 
>>> 
>>> But I'm interested to start a discussion here because what isn't 
>>> mentioned 
>>> in this post is that the author is discussing Emporia State University, 
>>> which, through the Oregon cohorts of the School of Library and 
>>> Information 
>>> Management, is our local library school. 
>>> 
>>> I attended Emporia's most recent local graduation this past August, and I 
>>> got to hear some great speakers contemplate the future of libraries. In 
>>> addition, I recall that both our state librarian, MaryKay Dahlgreen, and 
>>> the then-president of the Oregon Library Association, Abigail Elder, also 
>>> talked about how grateful we all are here in Oregon to have a library 
>>> school bringing new professionals into our community. I'm grateful also. 
>>> 
>>> Do we expect new professionals to begin their careers with knowledge of 
>>> reference services and sources? 
>>> 
>>> To fuel my own curiosity, I looked at the past three months of OLA 
>>> Jobline 
>>> announcements shared with this list. Of 55 descriptions for positions in 
>>> Oregon, 11 mentioned reference service specifically - 20%. I didn't get 
>>> into which of those required an MLS, but from looking at the titles, only 
>>> one is for "reference librarian": 
>>> 
>>> Archivist for Collections Management, Eugene, OR 
>>> Information Resources and Instructional Librarian, Coos Bay, OR 
>>> Library Assistant/Branch Lead Worker, Beaverton, OR 
>>> Manager, Architecture and Allied Arts Library, Eugene, OR 
>>> Part-Time Librarian, Happy Valley, OR 
>>> Reference Assistant, Albany, OR 
>>> Reference Assistant, Tigard, OR 
>>> Reference Librarian, Grand Ronde, OR 
>>> Research/Catalog Librarian, Portland, OR 
>>> Special Collections Assoc., Portland, OR 
>>> Youth Services Associate, Prineville, OR 
>>> 
>>> I'm interested in hearing your perspective! 
>>> 
>>> Caleb Tucker-Raymond 
>>> 
>>> Statewide Reference Service Coordinator 
>>> Multnomah County Library 
>>> (503) 988-5438 
>>> calebt at multco.us 
>>> www.oregonlibraries.net 
>>> 
>> 
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