[or-roots] ancestors

Wed Mar 29 08:44:42 PST 2006

I hate to show my ignorance, but I am confused by what you wrote below.
Was it Harvey Shaw who ran the Pack train or was it John as I have seen
written somewhere?  Who was William?  Who was Caroline?  I have seen
reference to a Harvey and also a Henry Shaw in different census.  One
was an abstract so the name could have been mis-read.  I have seen the
donation land claims that were filed for the Shaw's and I think it
mentioned some other family members, but not Caroline.

What is your source?

Dale

My family line is the John and Nancy Shaw......they had a son Harvey who
also moved with them to the Walla Walla area.......According to the
family history

<<<Young Harvey Shaw did some gold mining in Southern Oregon and farmed.
Then in 1861 he went to Eastern Washington,  Walla Walla, area.  From
there he
and Frank Lowden ran a packed train from Old Wallula to thekootaney
area,
bring supplies to the mining camps in Idaho.  In 1864 William took his
family
and moved to Summerville area near La Grand, Oregon.  Mary Ann and
"Cooper"
John also set out eastward and settled with their family on Butter
Creek, near
Echo, Oragon, Umitilla area.   In 1869, Harvey bought acreage west of
Prescott, on the Touchet River,
which grew into a spread o 2200 acres.  Following Harvey, John and Nancy
left
Douglas County in 1870, and bought land seven miles from Dayton,
Washington.essage ----- >>

Carolyn Shaw married Philip Numbers, they had 3 daughters.....Sarah
Melinda Numbers married Orren Howard ........they are my gggrandparents.

Jacqueline

jacroing67 at canby.com

	From: Harguess, Dale <mailto:dharguess at coastline.edu>  

	To: or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us 

	Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:06 PM

	Subject: RE: [or-roots] ancestors

	Thanks,

	Most of this looks good, except the first one with Mary as a
wife and none of the kids match up to what I am aware of.  I know that
the Shaw's moved to eastern Oregon at some point and then ended up in
Washington.  In the 1880 census John and Nancy are found in Walla Walla
along with a Henry Shaw whose father was b: VA mother b: OH which
matches John and Nancy.  But I have also seen his name as Harvey instead
of Henry so it could be either one.  

	As for Elizabeth and Frank, he was definitely her second husband
and Nehemiah was the first.  It looks like the last one has the most
information and is probably the most accurate.

	Now I have more work to do.

	Dale

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	From: or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Kith-n-Kin
	Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:55 PM
	To: or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
	Subject: RE: [or-roots] ancestors

	Dale

	Here is what a quick search of Ancestry showed. Got the
siblings, and got Marion and Adeline to 1860 Douglas County, but that's
about it.

	Also, here are some others researching this line.

	(could this be mom and dad? And they got Nancy's name wrong?)

	Year: 1860; Census Place: Mount Scott, Douglas, Oregon; Roll:
M653_1055; Page: 129; Image: 260.

	461/461

	John Shaw 65 m Farmer 3000 1500 Virginia

	Mary 56 f Ohio

	Sarah 16 F Ill

	Marvin [Haven]Shaw 22 m laborer Ill

	Hariat Noles 6 F Ill

	Sarah Noles 4 f OR

	Maria Noles 3 OR

	Year: 1860; Census Place: Winchester, Douglas, Oregon; Roll:
M653_1055; Page: 151; Image: 305.

	Frances Leet 34   m laborer 221 NY

	Elisabeth Leet f 38 Ohio

	Lewis Leet 3 m  OR

	Amelia Leet f 4.12 OR 

	Adeline Northrop f 14 Ill  

	Marion Northrop f 9  Ill

	Betty Bower bbb at tco.net

	has

	1. Francis Marion VLIET was born 1826 in New York. He married
Elizabeth SHAW, daughter of John William SHAW and Harriett Nancy HARRIS.
She was born 1823 in Springfield, Morgan Co., Ohio, and died 1862 in
Douglas Co., Oregon.  

	 Children of Francis Marion VLIET and Elizabeth SHAW are:  2
i. Lewis VLIET. 

	  3   ii. Arminda VLIET. 

	Eugene Fleeman GeneFleeman at msn.com

	has

	ID: I1394 

	Name: Elizabeth SHAW 

	Sex: F 

	Birth: 1823 in Springfield, Morgan County, OH 

	Death: 1862 in Douglas County, OR

	Father: John William SHAW b: 9 JAN 1797 in Shenadoah County, VA 

	Mother: Harriett Nancy HARRIS b: 14 MAY 1801 in Springfield,
Zanesville, OH

	Marriage 1 Francis Marion VLIET b: 1826 in New York

	Marriage 2 Nehemiah NORTHROP

	Married: 28 JAN 1841 in Fulton County, IL

	Christy Hackett (Struble) mommy2gwen at yahoo.com

	has:

	1. Francis Marion (Frank) Vliet was born 3 JUN 1825 in Tompkins
Co., NY, and died 6 FEB 1908 in Tacoma, Pierce Co., WA. He married
Elizabeth Shaw 15 NOV 1856 in Eugene, Lane Co., OR, daughter of John
Shaw and Nancy Harris. She was born 1823-1830 in Springfield, Morgan
Co., OH, and died 13 MAR 1862 in Roseburg, Douglas Co., OR.  

	 Children of Francis Marion (Frank) Vliet and Elizabeth Shaw
are:  2   i. Lewis Vliet was born ABT 1858 in OR. 

	  3   ii. Arminda Vliet was born 13 MAR 1862 in Douglas Co., OR,
and died 22 NOV 1948 in Honolulu, HI. 

	Good luck,

	Pat (in Tucson)

________________________________

	From: or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
[mailto:or-roots-admin at sosinet.sos.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Harguess,
Dale
	Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 4:23 PM
	To: or-roots at sosinet.sos.state.or.us
	Subject: [or-roots] ancestors

	About a week or so ago, someone, I can't remember who, suggested
that we post the names of people we are researching in Oregon.  I have
so many that I decided to start with the hardest and only do about one a
week.

	Here goes:

	I am trying to find out anything and everything I can about the
family of John William Shaw.  What I do know about him is that he was
born in Virginia on Jan. 9, 1797 and that he moved to Ohio sometime,
probably with his parents.  He married Harriet (Nancy) Harris in Ohio
and then they moved to Illinois.  I know of at least two children that
they had but I think there were probably more.  One was Elizabeth Shaw
b: ca 1823 in Ohio and she married Nehemiah Northrup on Jan. 28, 1841 in
Illinois.  Elizabeth had two children before her husband died.  They
were Adeline Northrup and Marion Northrup.

	The Shaw's came to Douglas County, Oregon in the early 1850's.
Elizabeth married Francis Marion Vliet in Oregon and then she died
shortly afterwards.  

	Adeline married Stanford Howell and had at least 12 children in
Oregon.  My mysteries are:  what happened to Marion Northrup and who
were Stanford Howell's parents?  Also, of course any thing else about
the Shaw's that anyone would know.  John and Nancy died in 1888 in Walla
Walla at the ages of 91 and 87.

	Thanks for anything I get.

	Dale in California

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