[or-roots] or-roots Digest, Vol 29, Issue 3
JOHN LAURA MCKINNEY
birdman_326 at msn.com
Fri Sep 18 12:50:50 PDT 2009
Hi, I have been working on my husband's lines out of IN. Maybe others are doing same. Take care to have a great day!!!!! Laura
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Does anybody know good books, articles, or other information on the history of poor farms in Multnomah County, other than Edgefield which opened in 1911 in Troutdale?
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I'm getting emails sporadically but wonder if it's one way. I'm stalled out so haven't had much to contribute.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:57:47 -0700
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Well, I have located mine in Oregon but just am not able to prove the date of her death. It gets very frustrating. All the family trees I have found list her date of death as 9 March 1893 but no one seems to know where they found it or if it is accurate.
Emma Kellogg Langworthy (sometimes Longworthy - with or without the "y") died while an inmate at the Hawthorn Insane Asylum. She was apparently buried there and when everyone was moved, created and put into storage her cremains seem to be among the ones that lost labels.
The Oregon State Hospital people have been helpful as have all the places they sent me for info but nothing is forthcoming. Apparently she died before regular records were kept and the Asylum records are long gone. No full record of her commitment or her death. Someone here helped me
find an ab breviated record of her commitment but that is all so far,
I haven't found anything on her husband, Andrew Jackson Langworthy who left her there and moved back to Michigan with eight kids, later to marry his niece and move to Missouri.
Penny
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From: lschiendel <lschiendel at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 PM
I've been watching also. Very very quiet. Maybe everyone has found their relatives.
Lillian
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:33:49 -0400
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Was the asylum a public or private one? In Multnomah County? Mult. Co. has county archives...
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From: Penny/Leigh
Sent: Sep 17, 2009 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
Well, I have located mine in Oregon but just am not able to prove the date of her death. It gets very frustrating. All the family trees I have found list her date of death as 9 March 1893 but no one seems to know where they found it or if it is accurate.
Emma Kellogg Langworthy (sometimes Longworthy - with or without the "y") died while an inmate at the Hawthorn Insane Asylum. She was apparently buried there and when everyone was moved, created and put into storage her cremains seem to be among the ones that lost labels.
The Oregon State Hospital people have been helpful as have all the places they sent me for info but nothing is forthcoming. Apparently she died before regular records were kept and the Asylum records are long gone. No full record of her commitment or her death. Someone here helped me find an ab breviated record of her commitment but that is all so far,
I haven't found anything on her husband, Andrew Jackson Langworthy who left her there and moved back to Michigan with eight kids, later to marry his niece and move to Missouri.
Penny
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From: lschiendel <lschiendel at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 PM
I've been watching also. Very very quiet. Maybe everyone has found their relatives.
Lillian
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:36:53 -0700
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Hawthorn Insane Asylum is now the Oregon State Hospital and is in Lane County. I have spent hours on the phone and countless hours in research. I am open to any suggestions. I am in Michigan so can't just run to an Oregon library but have been very fortunate to find helpful people at nearly every turn.
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Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 4:33 PM
Was the asylum a public or private one? In Multnomah County? Mult. Co. has county archives...
-----Original Message-----
From: Penny/Leigh
Sent: Sep 17, 2009 3:57 PM
To: or-roots mail list
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
Well, I have located mine in Oregon but just am not able to prove the date of her death. It gets very frustrating. All the family trees I have found list her date of death as 9 March 1893 but no one seems to know where they found it or if it is accurate.
Emma Kellogg Langworthy (sometimes Longworthy - with or without the "y") died while an inmate at the Hawthorn Insane Asylum. She was apparently buried there and when everyone was moved, created and put into storage her cremains seem to be among the ones that lost labels.
The Oregon State Hospital people have been helpful as have all the places they sent me for info but nothing is forthcoming. Apparently she died before regular records were kept and the Asylum records are long gone. No full record of her commitment or her death. Someone here helped me find an ab breviated record of her commitment but that is all so
far,
I haven't found anything on her husband, Andrew Jackson Langworthy who left her there and moved back to Michigan with eight kids, later to marry his niece and move to Missouri.
Penny
--- On Wed, 9/16/09, lschiendel <lschiendel at aol.com> wrote:
From: lschiendel <lschiendel at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
To: "or-roots mail list" <or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us>
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:47 PM
I've been watching also. Very very quiet. Maybe everyone has found their relatives.
Lillian
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:52:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same as
the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in Lane
County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in the
movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced with
new buildings.
According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public
Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland in
1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened.
The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the Oregon
State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in the
Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the individuals
whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." ..."Shall
disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and death of
persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the department for the
purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim the cremated remains
and creating a memorial for those persons whose cremated remains are not
claimed."
What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer
have a label that is legible or a label at
all.
Mimi Stang
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From: madrake at techline.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:03:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
This is interesting I wonder if Norbert
is one of them?
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From:
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52
PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am
I missing emails?
The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same
as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in
Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in
the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced
with new buildings.
According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public
Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland
in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened.
The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the
Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in
the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the
individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital."
..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and
death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the
department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim
the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons whose
cremated remains are not claimed."
What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer
have a label that is legible or a label at
all.
Mimi Stang
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:28:25 -0700
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How about changing the subject line,
please?
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From:
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03
PM
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I missing emails?
This is interesting I wonder if
Norbert is one of them?
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52
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Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or
am I missing emails?
The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same
as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in
Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used
in the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be
replaced with new buildings.
According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public
Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in
Portland in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened.
The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the
Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice
in the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the
individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital."
..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and
death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the
department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to
claim the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons
whose cremated remains are not claimed."
What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no
longer have a label that is legible or a label at
all.
Mimi Stang
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:51:13 -0700
Subject: [or-roots] Please change the subject line
Yes, please
DO change the subject line. Many of us scan subject lines to see if an item is
of interest before we open or delete it. We don’t want to miss all your
good stuff!
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[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of Ray Powell
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8:28 PM
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or am I missing emails?
How about changing the subject line,
please?
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From: Marilyn Drake
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
This is interesting I wonder if Norbert is
one of them?
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From: MStang5165 at aol.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52 PM
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The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland
and is not …
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:39:24 -0700
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Hi Mimi,
How do we find out the
names on that list?
Thanks,
Ronda
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[mailto:or-roots-bounces at listsmart.osl.state.or.us] On Behalf Of
MStang5165 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52
PM
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us;
pswitzertatum at peoplepc.com
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I
missing emails?
The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same as
the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in Lane
County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in the
movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced with
new buildings.
According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public
Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland in
1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened.
The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the Oregon
State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in the
Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the individuals
whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital." ..."Shall
disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and death of
persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the department for the
purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim the cremated remains
and creating a memorial for those persons whose cremated remains are not
claimed."
What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer
have a label that is legible or a label at
all.
Mimi Stang
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From: rgust at netwtc.net
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:27:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum
The Asylum Cemetery is a book published by Susan Bell in
1991.Published by the Willamette Valley Genealogical Society P.O. Cox 2083
Salem Oregon 97308
As my GG grandfather is buried there I hired a researcher
to find him and she sent me information from that book. On page 3 it states
until such time as the State was able to afford the establishment of an asylum
in Salem, it would be state policy to use the facilities of the recently open
Hawthorne Asylum in Portland. In the fall of 1880 the Oregon State Legislature
appropriated $100,000. for the building of the Oregon State Insane Asylum.
Page 4 has a notice of the completion and invited the public to inspect the
premise in the fall of 1883 with a notice in the paper dated October 24
1883.
On page 9 the Daily Oregonian carried an eyewitness
account of the transfer by train of male patients from Portland's Hawthorne
Asylum to their new home in Salem. (For details on the day's events, as well as
lists of the patients transferred to Salem that day and the next, see "Beaver
Briefs, " Vol 23 pp 21-24.
In 1913 the name was changed to the Oregon State
Hospital.Page 12 tells of the bill S.B. 109 of the deposition of the
bodies.If not claimed within one week of death shall be delivered by the
officers of such institution for consumption at the crematory and the
ashes sent to the relatives or other persons having an interest in the deceased
if requested.
Section 3 All remains of persons who have heretofore died,
as inmates of the Oregon State Insane Asylum, and which have been buried in the
burying ground belonging to said institution, shall be exhumed and cremated in
said crematory and all monuments marking the graves of such persons, shall be
removed and placed in some suitable place on the Cottage Farm.
Page 15 For the remainder of the Cemetery's previous
residents, their last resting place became the basement of the Adolescent Ward
until 19 76 when all were place in vaults in the Memorial Circle on the
hospital grounds. Each receptacle is numbered and cross-referenced.
Patient 637 and his wife patient 595 are in a vault in the
Memorial Circle.
I would be most interested in following the information
about the release of names in the Statesman Journal
Thank you ,
Susie in Iowa
----- Original Message -----
From:
MStang5165 at aol.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:52
PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am
I missing emails?
The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same
as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in
Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in
the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced
with new buildings.
According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public
Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland
in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened.
The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the
Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in
the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the
individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital."
..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and
death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the
department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim
the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons whose
cremated remains are not claimed."
What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer
have a label that is legible or a label at
all.
Mimi Stang
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From: MStang5165 at aol.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:14:40 -0400
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum
I am familiar with the book you cited - in fact, Sue Bell is a friend.
But note that the title is the "Asylum Cemetery." It concerns the old
cemetery there - the bodies were removed, cremated and placed in the
canisters - and documented. I believe that this is just a small number of the
cremains that are actually held by the Oregon State Hospital.
If you do a Google search for "cremains at Oregon State Hospital" you will
get 2,600 hits! The one from the New York Times (quoted from The
Oregonian) is quite good and gives the number as 3,489 cremains that are
there in canisters. And the notation that many of the labels are no longer
legible.
The Public Notice in the Statesman Journal gives the following: Family
members may report their objection to the publication of a relative's
information by contacting DHS at: oshcremains at state.or.us.
However, I have tried using this URL a number of times and it does not
seem to work! Never brings up an Oregon State Hospital web
site.
Mimi Stang
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From: LinLouVan at aol.com
To: or-roots at listsmart.osl.state.or.us
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:24:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Hawthorne Asylum
In a message dated 9/18/2009 8:20:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
MStang5165 at aol.com writes:
The Public Notice in the Statesman Journal gives
the following: Family members may report their objection to the publication of
a relative's information by contacting DHS at: oshcremains at state.or.us.
However, I have tried using this URL a number of times and it does not
seem to work! Never brings up an Oregon State Hospital web
site.
The probable reason you do not get a website is that this is an email
address -- NOT a URL link.
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From: pmml at meritel.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:32:40 -0700
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am I missing emails?
Of intrest here is people often were clasified as
insane with physical problems that affected mentation. Diabetics,
Syphalis's
etc.
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From:
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Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:52
PM
Subject: Re: [or-roots] Is it slow or am
I missing emails?
The Hawthorne Asylum was in Portland and is not, nor ever was, the same
as the Oregon State Hospital which is in Salem in Marion County. Not in
Lane County. Some of the oldest parts of the State Hospital (the parts used in
the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest) are being torn down to be replaced
with new buildings.
According to a web site Salem Online History through the Salem Public
Library, Dr. Hawthorne first opened his hospital for the "insane" in Portland
in 1862. In 1883 the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was opened.
The canisters you referred to with cremains are here in Salem at the
Oregon State Hospital. Just this week there has been a legal Public Notice in
the Statesman Journal "Notice of intent to publish the names of the
individuals whose cremains are in custody of Oregon State Hospital."
..."Shall disclose to the general public the name and the dates of birth and
death of persons whose cremated remains are in the possession of the
department for the purposes of: giving a family member an opportunity to claim
the cremated remains and creating a memorial for those persons whose
cremated remains are not claimed."
What the notice does not mention is that many of the canisters no longer
have a label that is legible or a label at
all.
Mimi Stang
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